tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8996974684243527907.post5477386480947156244..comments2023-10-23T00:23:28.842-07:00Comments on BIGFOOT'S bLOG: BFF (BIGFOOT FASCIST FORUMS) BLOWBACK! Comments and Feedback Pour in Since BanningSteven Streuferthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07852437322070677310noreply@blogger.comBlogger71125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8996974684243527907.post-34019995883880087872012-09-21T06:00:27.711-07:002012-09-21T06:00:27.711-07:00Minor point and I hate to say it, but Goebbles nev...Minor point and I hate to say it, but Goebbles never said that quote. He accused the Brits of doing the big lie thing.<br /><br />Goebbels actually accused others of using the technique. In a 1941 article titled “ Churchill’s Lie Factory,” he wrote:<br /><br />“One should not as a rule reveal one’s secrets, since one does not know if and when one may need them again. The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.”<br /><br />He accuses the English of the “big lie,” and suggests that, were he to use such a technique, he would not publicly announce it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8996974684243527907.post-71078035707789850852012-03-02T18:04:20.891-08:002012-03-02T18:04:20.891-08:00BFF seems to only allow two opinions both conserva...BFF seems to only allow two opinions both conservative though opposing, anything inbetween is not only denegrated by other members freely but the mods work one by one to give out warnings to the polite member with the wrong opinion to the point of openly defaming them, till they are permanently banned and their reputation destroyed. I know its happening to me. The Australian Yowie Hunters forum is worse but apparently their defamation and slander of ex members has an important place in BBF decisions. Slander after slander, defamation after defamation and the person is ruined, depressed, ready for a legal battle they can ill afford. What is the problem with just discussing BF. Why the politics and denegration. How is it a cheif administrator on BFF can get away with what might be legally found to be defamation of a person and denegration openly, not reply to requests to edit their post and leave the person to suffer more and more disreputation. THANKS FOR A PLACE TO SAY itAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8996974684243527907.post-80302135985011193432010-08-17T11:01:56.450-07:002010-08-17T11:01:56.450-07:00the biggest problem with the BFF is the trolls, mo...the biggest problem with the BFF is the trolls, most come from JREF, and adding that to the trolls already there.......this is what ruined the site, and prolly why bipto stopped it, closed down....<br /><br />when tim was there he was the peacemaker, and hes a good dude too, but hes right, the bff aint about bigfoot anymore, its just a bitchfest between chosen members and jrefites, when ever I see someone taking them on, just go to jref and they make fun of that person and figure out a way to dogpile them from over there, strange world we live in......kit has also ruined it for a me ...hes allowed to post his venom while others cant, maybe cause hes friends with T, who knows.........Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8996974684243527907.post-29622400082357254922010-07-30T17:15:09.316-07:002010-07-30T17:15:09.316-07:00BYE BYE TERESA, don't let the door hit you in ...BYE BYE TERESA, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!!LOL!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8996974684243527907.post-86038388064169030512010-07-14T17:31:37.406-07:002010-07-14T17:31:37.406-07:00Melissa said...
"No wonder people have wars w...Melissa said...<br />"No wonder people have wars with each other. Just wow. You guys ALL need a little perspective - IT'S JUST THE INTERNET."<br /><br />You know what Anonymous, I actually agree with much of what you said. The problem is this. Some of us, are not embarassed or shamed by the fact that we get out and look for Bigfoot. We attach our names, in the hope it will make witnesses more comfortable coming to us, as we are people first. In doing so, yes I (and others) took a risk. But, I have always felt if you believe in something - you should be willing to put your name to it. <br /><br />Here is the issue. Instead of having civil disagreements, your personal "world" gets attacked. These people call your boss, they call your families, they make your life a living hell by searching out information and posting it in the internet. If they can't find it, they WILL make it up. One guy was so angry with me for not giving him a good review, he went on a message board and told people I moved from Washington State to Texas, because I was on the run from the law... I never lived in Washington State.... I don't think I ever laughed so hard in my life. If you knew me, you would laugh too. <br /><br />These are supposed to be our fellow Bigfoot Researchers. <br /><br />This is about warning new people, who think they will get a fair shake, and trust these people. It should also be noted, a push back by the greater Bigfoot Community against these tactics rarely happens. <br /><br />I don't care if people show up on my forum or not (be they researchers or witnesses) but I do care how they are treated by this community I am apart of. Mistreated witnesses reflect on us all. I do care about the reputation they give us all as "unstable". <br /><br />We are fools, in the eyes of most, simply for saying we are bigfoot researchers..It's a no win situation. LOL :)<br /> <br />End Quote<br /><br />Very well said......Ed Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09682750064116952594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8996974684243527907.post-52280303641253645142010-07-14T13:27:16.183-07:002010-07-14T13:27:16.183-07:00And this: NO, the BFF did not threaten to sue me. ...And this: NO, the BFF did not threaten to sue me. However, what better way to "cover one's ass" than with a joke??? We retract NOTHING. We rather encourage all remaining BFF members who may have encountered censorship and unfairness on the site to SPEAK UP, ACT UP, do something ON the BFF. Do so within the posting guidelines if you wish. See if it STILL gets you banned. Be willing to sacrifice your status or membership there in the name of the CAUSE OF TRUTH. We encourage you all to have balls, or whatever other form of fortitude, and to take a stand for sane and fair discourse within the Bigfooting world. To be continued, as they say....Steven Streuferthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07852437322070677310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8996974684243527907.post-38730173796482582972010-07-14T13:22:55.860-07:002010-07-14T13:22:55.860-07:00Re. "Satire" in the comment above. I off...Re. "Satire" in the comment above. I offer you the following definition. NO, we are not retracting our seriously held statements and positions; rather, by the use of satire we are furthering and elaborating upon them. Consider what the word means:<br />"sat·ire /ˈsætaɪər/ [sat-ahyuhr] <br />–noun <br />1. the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc. <br />2. a literary composition, in verse or prose, in which human folly and vice are held up to scorn, derision, or ridicule. <br />3. a literary genre comprising such compositions."Steven Streuferthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07852437322070677310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8996974684243527907.post-7370410159760938872010-07-14T09:26:32.367-07:002010-07-14T09:26:32.367-07:00I just noticed this on your blog, it's new:
&...I just noticed this on your blog, it's new:<br /><br />"This blog is copyright 2010 by Bigfoot Books and Steven Streufert. Images in this blog post are used as SATIRE, and are presented for SATIRICAL AND HUMOROUS PURPOSES ONLY. No claims of actual fascism or communism are really being made here!"<br /><br />Did the BFF threaten to sue you? Are you retracting your free speech manifesto by saying it was all satire?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8996974684243527907.post-34200679321258425902010-07-13T20:50:38.848-07:002010-07-13T20:50:38.848-07:00"No wonder people have wars with each other. ..."No wonder people have wars with each other. Just wow. You guys ALL need a little perspective - IT'S JUST THE INTERNET."<br /><br />You know what Anonymous, I actually agree with much of what you said. The problem is this. Some of us, are not embarassed or shamed by the fact that we get out and look for Bigfoot. We attach our names, in the hope it will make witnesses more comfortable coming to us, as we are people first. In doing so, yes I (and others) took a risk. But, I have always felt if you believe in something - you should be willing to put your name to it. <br /><br />Here is the issue. Instead of having civil disagreements, your personal "world" gets attacked. These people call your boss, they call your families, they make your life a living hell by searching out information and posting it in the internet. If they can't find it, they WILL make it up. One guy was so angry with me for not giving him a good review, he went on a message board and told people I moved from Washington State to Texas, because I was on the run from the law... I never lived in Washington State.... I don't think I ever laughed so hard in my life. If you knew me, you would laugh too. <br /><br />These are supposed to be our fellow Bigfoot Researchers. <br /><br />This is about warning new people, who think they will get a fair shake, and trust these people. It should also be noted, a push back by the greater Bigfoot Community against these tactics rarely happens. <br /><br />I don't care if people show up on my forum or not (be they researchers or witnesses) but I do care how they are treated by this community I am apart of. Mistreated witnesses reflect on us all. I do care about the reputation they give us all as "unstable". <br /><br />We are fools, in the eyes of most, simply for saying we are bigfoot researchers..It's a no win situation. LOL :)Melissa Hoveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07776642555609301168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8996974684243527907.post-53150492493657939722010-07-13T14:44:42.666-07:002010-07-13T14:44:42.666-07:00Wow, what a bunch of ridiculousness over a creatur...Wow, what a bunch of ridiculousness over a creature that doesn't even exist.<br /><br />No wonder people have wars with each other. Just wow. You guys ALL need a little perspective - IT'S JUST THE INTERNET.<br /><br />Go hug your dog or kids or spouse or whatever and GROW UP!!!!<br /><br />And no, I'm not on the BFF or any other ridiculous bigfoot forum. Jeeses. you're all making total fools out of yourselves, I've seen more restraint on a playground.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8996974684243527907.post-63066087356427736662010-07-13T13:12:37.559-07:002010-07-13T13:12:37.559-07:00"Pretty much shows that y'all never reall..."Pretty much shows that y'all never really got (and still don't get) what the place is about anyway."<br /><br /><br />That being Teresa of course. Y'all come back now, y'here?Chroniclehttp://tinyurl.com/2bc2mb6noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8996974684243527907.post-12558642595411986872010-07-13T12:07:04.804-07:002010-07-13T12:07:04.804-07:00"Well i think it is time to move on and say g..."Well i think it is time to move on and say good bye to the BF community, is has been fun at times but i had lost my interest ~ so it's time to say SO LONG ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br /><br />Tim :) "<br /><br />So you come on over and expect sypmathy for being bit after doing some of the biting yourself, and when you get questions instead, you leave rather than face up to your past. That's not repetence Tim, it's denial.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8996974684243527907.post-12853900487832716502010-07-13T12:04:52.205-07:002010-07-13T12:04:52.205-07:00"Wow...
Interesting.. Sounds like a whole bu..."Wow...<br /><br />Interesting.. Sounds like a whole bunch (or maybe just a vocal few) BFF rejects are a little bitter about it.<br /><br />Pretty much shows that y'all never really got (and still don't get) what the place is about anyway.<br /><br />Funny how many folks that get banned from there go on to start their own boards and then whine about how they got banned from BFF for YEARS afterwards.<br /><br />Guess it must leave a mark... "<br /><br />So what is it about then? the dogpiles? the attacks? A private playground for Teresa, Jayleed, Redwolf, Black Dog, Bittermonk and Wolftrax to wipe their asses on something some of us find interesting?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8996974684243527907.post-66376702809663014312010-07-13T10:59:01.408-07:002010-07-13T10:59:01.408-07:00Well i think it is time to move on and say good by...Well i think it is time to move on and say good bye to the BF community, is has been fun at times but i had lost my interest ~ so it's time to say SO LONG ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br /><br /> Tim :)RRShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14508418020371746371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8996974684243527907.post-57111971128263543582010-07-13T09:48:09.518-07:002010-07-13T09:48:09.518-07:00Wow...
Interesting.. Sounds like a whole bunch (...Wow...<br /><br />Interesting.. Sounds like a whole bunch (or maybe just a vocal few) BFF rejects are a little bitter about it.<br /><br />Pretty much shows that y'all never really got (and still don't get) what the place is about anyway.<br /><br />Funny how many folks that get banned from there go on to start their own boards and then whine about how they got banned from BFF for YEARS afterwards.<br /><br />Guess it must leave a mark...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8996974684243527907.post-17982506269752208802010-07-13T07:34:54.402-07:002010-07-13T07:34:54.402-07:00Last year during the debacle when Ed Emith and Pau...Last year during the debacle when Ed Emith and Paul Vella started, 4 members of the BFF appeared at the MABRC Forums, Redratsnake, Carolina Dog (Omache), Bipedalist and Peregrine (under a different alias) and began stirring up crap, cross posting information from the MABRC forums to the BFF, making demands for answers that they weren't entitled to, and when they all were banned, Redratsnake (Tim) was in with the rest, attacking the MABRC on the BFF. He subsequently was made a moderator. Was it a reward for being a part of the attack group that came to the MABRC? I don't know, but it seems really convenient that he was made a moderator soon after.<br /><br />You (Tim) appeared at one time to be a good person, I think you (Tim) just laid down with snakes and it come back to bite you. You made bad decisions while in your tenure with the BFF, and if you want people to sympathize with you about your treatment there, you should remember, you didn't sympathize with those you helped attack. Even if you come clean with all you know, you still attacked others you had no business attacking and showed no remorse for it.Darkwingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8996974684243527907.post-51890021005233929752010-07-13T04:15:47.946-07:002010-07-13T04:15:47.946-07:00You are guilty of attacking certain members at the...You are guilty of attacking certain members at the time in the anti-LT fever pitch. If you want to be taken seriously here than own to your own implication in these things. You were part of them and you know it. Address this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8996974684243527907.post-84813514395133596432010-07-12T19:52:10.529-07:002010-07-12T19:52:10.529-07:00The things that are wrong with bff are simple:
te...The things that are wrong with bff are simple:<br /><br />teresa hall<br />jayleed<br />redwolf<br /><br />andthe fact that blackdog is allowed to troll without consequenceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8996974684243527907.post-87250148932443904072010-07-12T19:49:26.657-07:002010-07-12T19:49:26.657-07:00Tim, you defended the mrp from inconvenient realit...Tim, you defended the mrp from inconvenient realities, face up to that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8996974684243527907.post-52683413825366480192010-07-12T19:24:50.132-07:002010-07-12T19:24:50.132-07:00All I can say is ALOT of good people have stopped ...All I can say is ALOT of good people have stopped posting thereAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8996974684243527907.post-61514540658486534392010-07-12T14:02:16.340-07:002010-07-12T14:02:16.340-07:00From what i see there was very little regard for w...From what i see there was very little regard for what the long term affects would be when things were let to pan out or run there course for the sake of amusement, take the LT fiasco, he was allowed to run the forum with his little band of buddies and very little was said to him, everyone knew it was wrong to let him and his buds behave like they did but they were bringing in the posts so nothing was done despite many many mails asking for action, there were many members banned at that time because LT was being protected and that helped to split up a lot of folks that were regulars on the forum, it also help to boost tension between many folks and i think eventually led to so many of the log time folks that had propelled the forum to be the one stop for bigfoot talk to leave and find other places to bring there research too ~ but i guess by sticking to the ole ~ it's a privilege to post here motto ~ they can justify that letting folks get bashed is ok , remember this is a forum that advertises everything bigfoot but delivers very little when it comes to the subject. <br /><br /> Tim :)RRShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14508418020371746371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8996974684243527907.post-86318425357604918332010-07-12T12:20:52.118-07:002010-07-12T12:20:52.118-07:00Tim,
Thank you for the response. I have another q...Tim,<br /><br />Thank you for the response. I have another question if you dont mind. In your first post here you said, <br /><br />"splitting up friendships for the sake of getting a personal kick out of it"<br /><br />In reference to the BFF Admin. Could you please elaborate on this. <br /><br />Thanks, MelissaMelissa Hoveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07776642555609301168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8996974684243527907.post-58087907857838583982010-07-12T11:34:13.133-07:002010-07-12T11:34:13.133-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.RRShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14508418020371746371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8996974684243527907.post-16521708749595005692010-07-12T11:23:59.502-07:002010-07-12T11:23:59.502-07:00Question. When you say you left the BFF on your ow...Question. When you say you left the BFF on your own, were you made to feel like you needed to leave? If so, how? Were you told specific members were off limits to moderator action?<br /><br /> I was getting very frustrated with the way certain friends were being left alone to act as they wanted too, any action i took was reversed for one reason / excuse or another, i was looking out for the entire membership, some of the staff were just looking out for there friends, it was to the point of almost getting into fights about it so i left before it got unnecessarily ugly, I was never told any member was off limits but anyone that has been there knows there are members that have that status ~<br /><br />TimRRShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14508418020371746371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8996974684243527907.post-7605719603005649132010-07-12T09:33:06.508-07:002010-07-12T09:33:06.508-07:00Quote Anonymous:
Mellissa,
Everyone knows you th...Quote Anonymous:<br /><br />Mellissa,<br /><br />Everyone knows you think its all about you. Nothing you or I can change that, even your "I know you are but what am I?" response doesn't change it. Nice try though. what's next, a poopy butt reference? End quote<br /><br />This, in the end, is supposed to be about getting our acts together for the sake of the work going on in the field, and the witnesses who hope they will be treated fairly. But, I suppose you could care less about those things either. It’s far more entertaining for you to blame others, and deny the problem, or any responsibility. <br /><br />Those that post here anonymously, and are so critical of Tim, would like Tim to take the blame for everything. This issue (overall) is not a (Tim) RedRatSnake problem, and anyone with the basic ability to reason knows that. Blame me, call me names all you like, I could care less, but your comments prove the point I have been making all along. No, this is not about me, and I am not sure why you are making this about me. Other than to detract. <br /><br />Some where along the line, what is supposed to be the overriding issue, has been forgotten, by select individuals, who now have a much larger format to spread their message on, as it didn’t seem to be working on the Bigfoot Discussions Board. <br /><br />Some of those individuals are posting here “anonymously”, as if no one can figure out who they are. <br /><br />It’s little wonder we have 40 years of nothing much. Oh, I am not angry. I am disappointed. Disappointed in adults who act like children and could care less about the one issue they say, they care about the most - this research. I’m sure you tell people you care about the field of Bigfoot Research,” anonymous”, but I must say your comments here are more of an elementary mentality and designed to detract from the message intended. I bet you don’t even know what that message is, Anonymous. I will leave the “poopy butt” comments to you, I would hate to take anything away from your large arsenal of witty retorts. <br /><br />I do appreciate such a public statement about how you approach people and this research though. <br /><br />You are wise to post as Anonymous. Which (by the way) tells me, you already know your attitude and thoughts are not the majority opinion, any longer. If they were, you would happily post using your name. How is that for common sense reasoning? <br /><br />Good choice.Melissa Hoveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07776642555609301168noreply@blogger.com