BUHS INTERVIEW UPDATES!Further investigation and conversation with author Joshua Blu Buhs (go to his own blog in this and the next colored text link) over his book, BIGFOOT: The Life and Times of a Legend (see our previous POST for a massive and I hope incisive 20-page interview) has unearthed a COMMENTS WAR between he and the founder of the Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization (BFRO), Matt Moneymaker.
For those of you in the bigfooting world who might think I went too easily on Mr. Buhs in my article (hey, I did want to keep him talking, and besides, he seems to be a truly good guy) might want to check out these two book review pages. BE SURE to look down to the comments field below the main text, and read the big one until the end. It's a full-on battle! And Moneymaker really takes him to task, even perhaps somewhat too far at the end, as the site moderator eventually shut down the comments thread. Buhs, though, does hold his own in the fray, and a few other interesting characters join in the debate along the way.
[Image above, a display projection from Dr. John Bindernagel's presentation at the 2009 Yakima Bigfoot Round-Up]
Here is the major one (click the LINKED colored text, folks; but DO come on back here): the review on the Laelaps blog, after a review by one Brian Switek. Moneymaker's comments start down at # 5 and finish at #44, and you'll find Buhs and others entering the fray all along the way.Another review was previously published at the Washington Post web site, with a brief comments flap, too.
[Image, Matt Moneymaker speaks up defending the Skookum Cast at the Yakima Bigfoot Round-Up]
Some excerpts? OK, I give in. Here, I quote from the WaPo site:
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MONEYMAKER: "Joshua Blu Bahs [editor: sic, sp., intentional?] is the type of author who embarks on a project like this with a marketing angle in mind, rather than a sincere desire to uncover the truth. Joshua knew what his conclusion was going to be long before he did any "research". Once he dreamed up an angle of argumentation, then his only "research" were his efforts in collecting material that would support his argument. The simple fact that he claims, among many other patently false statements, that "no tracks have ever been authenticated" and "no footage has ever stood up to scrutiny" basically reveals that Joshua Blu Bahs is a fraud. His angle was to write a book crafted to appeal to uninformed people [who] would tend to be skeptical. He assumed (just like another demonstrable fraud named David Daegling) that the skeptical audience is a larger audience than the "believer" audience. The fact is, the vast majority of people who tend to be skeptical about the existence of these animals... do not really care either way. Furthermore, anyone, even an ardent scientist-skeptic, who HONESTLY and FULLY investigates this subject, comes to the tentative conclusion that they do exist, just as Robert Michael Pyle did, after he had a legit Class B encounter while doing *honest* research and investigation for his book. The type of authors who honestly want to know the truth spend at least a *little* time in field. Whereas Joshua only did his selective research over the Internet. His research is dishonest, and his book is a marketing scam ... and I could prove all of that in court if I ever needed to."
MONEYMAKER: "Joshua Blu Bahs [editor: sic, sp., intentional?] is the type of author who embarks on a project like this with a marketing angle in mind, rather than a sincere desire to uncover the truth. Joshua knew what his conclusion was going to be long before he did any "research". Once he dreamed up an angle of argumentation, then his only "research" were his efforts in collecting material that would support his argument. The simple fact that he claims, among many other patently false statements, that "no tracks have ever been authenticated" and "no footage has ever stood up to scrutiny" basically reveals that Joshua Blu Bahs is a fraud. His angle was to write a book crafted to appeal to uninformed people [who] would tend to be skeptical. He assumed (just like another demonstrable fraud named David Daegling) that the skeptical audience is a larger audience than the "believer" audience. The fact is, the vast majority of people who tend to be skeptical about the existence of these animals... do not really care either way. Furthermore, anyone, even an ardent scientist-skeptic, who HONESTLY and FULLY investigates this subject, comes to the tentative conclusion that they do exist, just as Robert Michael Pyle did, after he had a legit Class B encounter while doing *honest* research and investigation for his book. The type of authors who honestly want to know the truth spend at least a *little* time in field. Whereas Joshua only did his selective research over the Internet. His research is dishonest, and his book is a marketing scam ... and I could prove all of that in court if I ever needed to."
To that Buhs had a reply.
BUHS: "I would like to state for the record that I did not embark on this book for marketing books. Second, I did not do my research "over the internet." As the reviewer astutely notes, 'Buhs's real mission is to track not the creature itself but rather its shadow in the popular imagination.' Which means I have little or nothing to say about those who have seen Bigfoot. My point, instead, is to look at the various meanings attached to the beast. In the course of six-years research I came to certain conclusions about the existence of the beast. Others come to different conclusions. We can debate the evidence, but that is not the point of the book at all. The exact same methods could have been used to analyze a creature of undoubted existence. Indeed, my first book did that. It was called The Fire Ant Wars and used the same analytical tools to understand how and why people have thought about Solenopsis invicta, the red imported fire ant. Before accusing someone of bad faith, it is always worthwhile at least reading the book."
And hey, that is just the START of the battle, which commenced May 5th of this year 2009. The thing really exploded on the Laelaps science blog starting on June 9th. You'll have to follow that one to the end by going there. I won't even try to cover it here.
And hey, that is just the START of the battle, which commenced May 5th of this year 2009. The thing really exploded on the Laelaps science blog starting on June 9th. You'll have to follow that one to the end by going there. I won't even try to cover it here.
[Images, the "hyper-cool" Buhs author-dude from the book's DJ flap, and the laid back California dad Buhs from his blog.]To be totally fair and balanced, since I talked about Buhs a bunch in my last post, I should mention that we at Bigfoot Books had the honor of a Moneymaker sighting last month on our very own front porch. Contrary to all the crazy myths and legends about him spread by a few angry BFRO defectors and apostates, despite the competitive bigfooting jealousies that some feel about the BFRO, the man himself is a very open, friendly and savvy conversationalist, and quite intelligent. We talked for over three hours, and he answered all my questions without taking offense, even the controversial ones. Asked about the notion some spread that the BFRO is some kind of a cult, and he is the leader, Matt said, "There is no cult or cult of personality. If there is a cult it is about Bigfoot [not the BFRO or me]." I was very favorably impressed. I'd say anyone who doubts Moneymaker's sincerity and critical abilities is simply a fool, or misled. When I told him the story of my own possible bigfoot encounter he eyed me skeptically the whole time, like some Hercule Poirot-type investigator, but he grew excited when certain aspects of the story rang true and consistent with other bigfoot encounters and behaviors with which he is quite familiar. Contrary to some popular beliefs, there were no blood oaths nor satanic vows, nor pentagrams and infant sacrifice, no attempted CIA or MK-ULTRA mind control either--he just signed me up, without my even asking, to access the BFRO private database and reporting features. Does that make me a BFRO member? I guess so, and hey, my mind is still working freely! Matt's cool in my (bigfoot) book.
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And, by the way, accusations that the Yakima Round-Up was some kind of BFRO stage-managed event are really totally absurd (read about the "controversy" on Cryptomundo HERE and HERE, or go HERE to the JREF Forums to see how people's egos can really get inflamed over basically nothing: and yes, the last link contains the infamously misinterpreted Bobo's "Ass Whoopin' Letter"). I've talked that issue over up and down and all around with Tom Yamarone, James Bobo Fay, even Scott Herriott himself and others, and find it all pretty damn baseless. Whatever affiliations and debates might exist, Bigfooters are an untamed and individualistic lot, and surely will ever remain so. If we want to find Bigfoot, let's keep our eyes on the prize, folks.
ANGRY BIGFOOT SPEAKS:
And, by the way, accusations that the Yakima Round-Up was some kind of BFRO stage-managed event are really totally absurd (read about the "controversy" on Cryptomundo HERE and HERE, or go HERE to the JREF Forums to see how people's egos can really get inflamed over basically nothing: and yes, the last link contains the infamously misinterpreted Bobo's "Ass Whoopin' Letter"). I've talked that issue over up and down and all around with Tom Yamarone, James Bobo Fay, even Scott Herriott himself and others, and find it all pretty damn baseless. Whatever affiliations and debates might exist, Bigfooters are an untamed and individualistic lot, and surely will ever remain so. If we want to find Bigfoot, let's keep our eyes on the prize, folks.Meanwhile, on the home front, we've received some comments from Dr. Jeff Meldrum, of Idaho State University whose review of Buhs' book in The Bigfoot Times got my interview with Buhs rolling in the first place. Here you go...
JEFF MELDRUM: Steve, I enjoyed reading your interview with Joshua. It was very enlightening and helpful in clarifying some of his positions. I had to chuckle at his familiar comment that the reviewer of his ant book /didn't get it/. Apparently, Joshua isn't having much luck making himself understood :-) I do think that had some of the substance of this interview been incorporated into his book, my review would have been quite different. I may not have /gotten/ his intent, but you certainly understood my disagreement with his approach and apparent conclusions. You did an excellent job making your points and drawing out of him, in my opinion, a clearer expression of his objectives at least. Thanks for sharing this! Jeff
[Image, a sun-fried Jeff Meldrum doing his presentation at the Yakima Bigfoot Round-Up]
BIGFOOT BOOKS: Hey Jeff, Thanks! I'm glad you liked it, and that you could get through the whole thing (sorry, I tend to be a wordy writer, and so does Mr. Buhs sometimes). Anyway, I found Buhs to be a very decent, accommodating guy. He stuck with that interview for two weeks and never seemed to get his hackles raised. I came to feel that my annoyance was not with him, but really his FIELD of study: Sociology. For instance, right now I'm trying to read a friend's book (his doctoral dissertation, in Soc.), and man, it is fascinating, but it talks all around the issues, spends whole, large chunks of each chapter on explaining its theoretical apparatus, and then could possibly seem to slight the actual events and information that are ostensibly the subject of the book. I think it is this methodological bent, that and the need to adhere to a particular thesis/theory, that prevented Buhs from dealing with the subject in a more hands-on way. As one can see in the interview, he really ISN'T closed-minded.
JEFF MELDRUM: I think you put your finger on it. His approach/methodology did continually clash with my perspectives, and that is likely the reason for the dissonance. Every attempt to illustrate his points with an analogy seemed obtuse and evasive of the what I perceived as the real issue at hand. He seemed unwilling or unable to come to terms, in an empirical sense, with the fundamental question: Is there a biological entity at the root of the legend and all its sociological ramifications?
BIGFOOT BOOKS: Yes, I noticed the same thing in my graduate school years studying Literature and English. There is so much abstruse (and often ridiculous) theory that one feels at times that the actual text one is supposedly studying is lost in the works. It ends in obfuscation rather than explication. It seems to be obvious that the primary study in the Bigfoot field should start from the ground up, from physical and other evidence, and then only later the study of the "culture" of it. But heck, that ain't Sociology, so go figure. And this: Buhs has a Ph.D., but he is more a historian and sociologist than he is a scientist, I think. So, keep up the good... SCIENCE! BTW, your book, SASQUATCH: Legend Meets Science, is the #1 SELLER of all Bigfoot books in my shop. As a matter of fact, I just now sold another copy. Best, Steve, BF BOOKS.
Coming up SOON! An interview with author David Paulides, regarding NABS' new product, THE TRACK RECORD.
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ReplyDeleteHello my name is angela. im in colleage and i am writting a paper on a Persuvive speach. Iv been using a lot of jeff meldrums sites and info becasue he provides the largest amount of proof i can find. im tring to include encounters and believers. my biggest issue with this is that i have to answer the question why. why should people care weither he exists or not. For scientific reasons i can think of many but for the average person i am struggling. how would you answer this question?
ReplyDeleteAngela, as they say about climbing Mt. Everest--because it is there! Why should people care? Well, they should care about the realities of their world, the universe they live in, every bit as much as they care about stupid things like American Idol. Sadly, the "average person" does not really care, a lot of them, and the world spins on without them. We should care, as if Bigfoot is proven to be real it will be an utterly devastating blow to the false sense that humanity has that it dominates and understands the world. Obviously, we are helpless before most of the fundamental realities of existence. Bigfoot, on the other hand, demonstrates freedom, strength, independence, and the Mysterious.
ReplyDeleteangela, the "why people care" is what buhs wrote about.
ReplyDeletealso, steven, please make your blog readers aware that mm critiqued the content of the book without having read it. i don't think that's a fair approach to a book review, in fact it makes it impossible! mm's comments then become a defensive reaction to what he thinks the writer had in mind. weird approach for someone you describe as intelligent, but not unusual for bigfooters.
meldrum too was defensive, some of the blog responses to the debate showed that there are those who, after reading the book were able to understand jb's opinion perfectly well.
(and please note bf ers...understanding what someone is saying does not necessarily mean "agreeing with." that's a fine point for some of you.)
jb is also saying that there is no irrefutable scientific
evidence...i.e. there is nothing that PROVES bf exists and he is quite right. there are only eyewitness accounts and the INFERRED proof garnered from footprint casts.
while you had mm on your porch for three hours, did you ask him why the bfro continues to use such poor interviewing techniques? witnesses comments are continually restated or ignored rather than investigated, and obvious questions are not asked when the interviewers fear the answers might be a little too strange for the bfro.
thus the complete information the bfro MIGHT obtain from witnesses is edited before it is even gathered, because of mm's biased approach to the subject. it's ALMOST as if he had an idea about bf BEFORE he did his research, and only accepted what would fit his thesis. (sarcasm alert! please see mm's comments about jb.)
Hello to all pros and cons. Yes, I'm a believer in the possibility that Bigfoot exists. I have read the blog and qiute frankly it is interesting to see that there is good ole American opinion on such a colorful and quite frankly so well publisized subject.
ReplyDeleteI am 56 years old and have lived in south Texas all my life. My dad raised me to hunt and fish and be in the outdoors. We were frequently in the Sam Houston national forrest near Livingston hunting and camping, and in the piney woods of East Texas. We had many family member and friends that followed with the same activities. I, We , Them have never seen the creature or have seen any evidence of the creature. But, I am certain it's , they are out there. I've never seen a wolf, a bear, a moose, a wolverine, a platypus a kangaroo etc... either, but I know they exist because others have. There has been documentation of all of these species, physical, pictoral, etc..There has been physical, and pictoral documentation of Bigfoot as well. I have seen the evidence and am convinced. I don't need a dead body, bones etc.. to belive. However, those particular articles would be great, and a living specimen the best. By the way, I've never seen a living dinosaur or their bones/skeleton either. There seems to be a lot of scientist and investigations on them, that have produced evidence. I believe, in due time the same research and investigative community will produce the same type of substantial irrefutable evidence on Bigfoot. I'm ready for that day. Not because of a, "we told you so" attitude but because new discovery is what science is all about. Not only that, but pros and cons alike, all love a surprise. Or is Christmas gonna be debated as well. Thanks for the opportunity to speak.
Hello again. My name is Charlie. I commented earlier but would like to add a word or two. I sent an opinion on the Bigfoot to the BFRO, but never received acknowledgement. I don't know if they even have time for that sort of thing. However, I mentioned in that opinion that I related evidences of Bigfoot being similar to a movie I had seen recently for the 4th or 5th time. There were people searching for a possible lost tribe of Native Americans exsting, living in a remote mountainous region of the Northwest. One was a sceptic and the other motivated by evidence thar he himself had found. Long story short, he told the sceptic he had never seen a wolf in this area either, but had heard them and found their tracks. Based on his eidence he convinced the skeptic to go look for this tribe and they did find the, or were found by them. This is a good example of what I belive will eventually happen with the Bigfoot. The movie depicted a protective attitude by the researchers, not to divuldge the whereabouts of this tribe to the outside world. If not already having happened, if and when discovery does occur fr rock solid proof will the scientific, researcher community choose to do the same. Hopefully great resposibility and compassion will be excersised in the discovery!
ReplyDeleteI want to read the book. My view on MM is his enthusiasm clouds reality. He believes so hard that when scientists debunk his evidence he has to defend the fool he is. His baby Bigfoot pictures( Bears with mange) are one example. The other example is from his show going in detail how a dead deer was a "Squatch" kill and how Bigfoot hunts. When Ranae told him there are many reasons the deer could have died and had the broken leg he got angry at her. MM wants to show me a housecat but tell me it's a tiger because he says it's a tiger and that is his proof. I want to believe they could exist also but when you throw in these people telling me they are interdimensional beings along with MM's view it only makes them laughable. Dr Meldrum is credible and backs up his evidence with fact.
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