BIGFOOT'S BLOG, EARLY JULY EDITION
BOYCOTTING THE BIGFOOT FORUMS. UPDATE: The Reader Comments
(NEW!: Currently updated to July 8th, 2010, with new comments added, and a new email from "RedRatSnake" Tim of the BFF. See below, and be sure to read the Comments by clicking the link at the very end. Do leave your own, too!)
Our planned reports from the OSS and our ENOCH book review are on the back burner for a little while as we deal with the ridiculous way in which we were banned from the BFF (we call it the Bigfoot Fascist Forums). This entry presents the Comments we've had posted to our PREVIOUS POST,
Petty Dictators Rule the BFF! BIGFOOT'S BLOG Manages to Annoy the Hell out of the Bigfoot Forums and We Get Banned!--Read This One First! (Or read the comments HERE). Also, there are a few relevant links and email excerpts. We hope you will find it edifying if you've ever planned to utilize that vile discussion board. Watch out! It is a pit of vipers. If you wish to escape and recover we DO have a support group for you. See below.
THE BIGFOOT FORUMS IS A HIERARCHICAL SUBSERVIENCE CULT!!! BOYCOTT NOW!
We need to raise awareness that there is an ALTERNATIVE to that horrid, wretched den of iniquity and duplicity and cruelty. Yes, there are alternatives; and we can disempower the BFF by diminishing their sense of exclusivity and privilege. This, in fact, we MUST do, if we do in fact care about Bigfooting as a field of study.
WARNING: THIS BLOG ENTRY CONTAINS SATIRE.
YOUR COMMENTS APPRECIATED.
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First a few relevant quotes for you....
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” -- Joseph Goebbels
“Tyrants are seldom free; the cares and the instruments of their tyranny enslave them.” -- George Santayana
“I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.” -- Thomas Jefferson
"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or the press, or the right of the people to peaceably assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." --Constitution, First Amendment, Bill of Rights
Here are the three blog entries Melissa Hovey has written on the topic over at her SEARCH FOR BIGFOOT blog.
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” -- Joseph Goebbels
“Tyrants are seldom free; the cares and the instruments of their tyranny enslave them.” -- George Santayana
“I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.” -- Thomas Jefferson
"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or the press, or the right of the people to peaceably assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." --Constitution, First Amendment, Bill of Rights
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Here are the three blog entries Melissa Hovey has written on the topic over at her SEARCH FOR BIGFOOT blog.
Here is an excerpt of what she wrote on what we like to call "THE SANE BF FORUM."
THE SEARCH FOR BIGFOOT FORUM:
"I don't expect the BFF will cease to exist. What my hope is, is that they will discover they are being paid attention to, and there are some who will no longer stay silent to their tatics. They can ban me all they like, but I will always know what is going on, as people come to me all the time (with the references to back up their story).
...It's painful to listen to. When people lecture about honesty, truth and credibility and then do shady things like read your personal messages, discuss your life (told to them in confidence) on the internet, and my personal favorite - tell you as long as you adhere to the posting guidelines everything will be fine - then turn around and give you grief because you don't agree with them or the staff
...While the decision makers on the BFF are entitled to run their board anyway they choose, the problem I see is this - they represent the field of bigfoot research. Their banner alone, touts them as the "best place for bigfoot research on the internet". So, they are basically luring people in, under the guise of good bigfoot conversation, only to knock them down. Especially witnesses. My god.. I have talked to hundreds of witnesses who (at first) wanted nothing to do with bigfoot researchers - because of the BFF, you can add researchers to that group too. If what is said from the Dr. Meldrums on down to "joe bigfooter" matters, we should be just as insulted and upset when a forum such as the BFF, casts a bad shadow on this entire research. When someone is treated poorly there, it reflects on us all by proxy, whether we think so or not. It does.
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HERE ARE THE COMMENTS:
(We present them here unedited.)
sargehart74 said...
I read your links to this BS and my impression is you were a humorous gentleman and those people were a bunch of Nazi troll bitches.
July 1, 2010 3:29 PM
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Anonymous said...
They “might” allow you back on, if you apologize for upsetting them so deeply, and promise to keep your head up their backsides.
At least that’s the way it works on the BFF (and common knowledge). As the new Chief Admin, Teresa, (Chief Administrator means Owner) said on the BFF, "it’s a case by case basis of course", so aim high!! *eye roll*
You are learning what very many have known for a long time, and been banned for saying it publicly. You’re in good company. I would swim through cow sh*t, before I ever apologized to that group of non-deserving, self important snobs.
July 1, 2010 3:48 PM
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Anonymous said... As a neutral observer here is the way I see it.
Most of your posts on the BFF were promoting your blog, in the last one you linked to your blog where you insulted some posters on the BFF for doing what you say you have the right to, give their opinion, and you were called on it.
It doesn't matter if you posted the insults (or what you saw as the truth)on the BFF, you linked to your blog in which you did so. It's hard to blame them.
Bill
July 1, 2010 5:42 PM
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Steven Streufert, Bigfoot Books said...
REPLY TO BILL, ABOVE...Bill, those would be good points if they had to do with the WHOLE PICTURE. However, look into the PRIOR THREAD part. I posted the mocking stuff on my blog about the BFF because it was already a forgone conclusion that they were out to get me. I saw this clearly when the EARLIER attack occurred, where there was absolutely NO PROVOCATION. By the time I got to writing about the BFF on my blog I knew it would get me in trouble with them, but by then didn't care. If they are going to "rule" their site like they do, and let only their friends attack or defend themselves, then I simply WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM. It's pretty simple. I was offering them loads of great content, not making a cent off the deal, just giving my blog freely to the world. I've done a whole lot more serious work than it seems any of these "Dogs" and "Teresa" have. But no, all they could do is sit around calling me a greedy book monger. Give me a break. AND they don't know how to listen. AND they take offense at the smallest thing, without even seeming to understand nor to have read what I and others actually said. I'm done with it. Let the lunatics have their little asylum!
July 1, 2010 5:58 PM
Steven Streufert, Bigfoot Books said...
And this, Bill...What I meant about the discussion which I called "nutty furor" and "insane" was that it was a bunch of babble from people who had not even read the book, ENOCH, most of them, and that it was essentially mean-spirited and vile, and hurtful to Autumn Williams. Discussion is fine, but it should not be an attack on the person; unless, that is, the person is an anonymous jerkwad from the BFF who is being a distinct asshole. Then, fine, let us be mean. But Autumn does not deserve the nasty stuff some people were saying.
July 1, 2010 6:02 PM
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344thBrother said...
How's that memory hole working out for you?
July 1, 2010 11:44 PM
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Anonymous said... PS...
In this insane time, Vile hate Speech has it's purpose and place too.
July 1, 2010 11:45 PM
July 1, 2010 11:45 PM
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Anonymous said...
Steve, I,m just an armchair, disabled internet Bigfoot fanatic. I love your blog and check it every day for updates. I believe it is one of top blogs on this subject on the internet. I used to check the BFF but really got sick of all the negative comments and skeptical comments. Someone above mentioned their arrogance and they are right. If they could lose me then there are plenty of others who just don't like reading all their negative bull.By the way, if they really think NABS and MK Davis are that great they are really messed up. Keep up the good work and keep smiling.
July 2, 2010 12:20 AM 
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Anonymous said...
The reality is, the BFF may have become the most detrimental place for expanding knowledge about bigfoot there ever was. One well known researcher once said to me he doesn't even go there because its such a 'toxic' environment. Clearly that is true to the Nth Degree.
The problem originates from the top down. I wonder if the one admin there has ever really ever seen a bigfoot as she claims, but says it so as to depict some authority/knowledge on the subject? Because it would seem that if she really did, she would be more empathetic towards other witnesses. She isn't.
Clearly, the BFF is NOT the place to bring your sightings. They will beat you down in every way possible, believing they are being scientifically grounded and exposing hoaxers everywhere. HA!!! Most there are a bunch of ill-informed wannabe researchers that will never have a visual encounter in their life. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are a few good people who post there, but they are still naive and simply haven't had the incident occur yet that has chased them away. BFF is more akin to a hoard of two-legged piranha waiting for a succulent victim to come along that they can tear apart piece by piece. They are indiscriminate for the most part. Look at how they embraced Autumn Williams several months ago for her upcoming book. Those same people are now looking for whatever hole they can find to exploit in order to break what they now consider lies, and they've never read the book themselves. They think that because someone else talked about certain behavior of a bigfoot, that it must be copied by the next witness. Well how about that just happens to be a common behavior of bigfoot? Is that REALLY too difficult a concept for these phony researchers at BFF? Oh and when they hear a witness talk about bigfoot language sounding like Native American, they can't help but recall another witness who said the same thing. Jeez, it must therefore be made up right? Well how about the possibility that bigfoot were here before humans and maybe even Native Americans picked up some language from them eons ago? Or that NA's and Bigfoot communicated with one another long ago? What a bunch of blind theorists who are incapable of conceptualizing how cultures of any kind may have evolved!
cont.
July 2, 2010 8:06 AM
Anonymous said...
The BFF readers miss opportunity after opportunity to learn something about sasquatch with each repeat witness that comes along. Said witnesses are NEVER given the chance in a positive environment to share. The important witness is quickly forced into a defensive stance, so instead of continuing to share the positive, he/she has to spend valuable time, well defending. The unencumbered constructive flow of personal knowledge is stopped dead in its 'bigfoot tracks'. So instead of them actually wanting to learn, most there simply want to maintain their pompous know-it-all (but really know little) egos based on what they (with their lack of personal experience) think bigfoot is or isn't. Well, BFF's combined emotional equilibrium does not appear anywhere as evolved as bigfoot's seems to be. Bigfoot showed remorse towards Mike in the book. Too bad bigfoot couldn't backhand BFF into the water instead. lol And so BFF loses again, never learning a damned thing when someone comes forward. BFF is INCAPABLE of remaining positive about any new controversial topics.
The BFF readers miss opportunity after opportunity to learn something about sasquatch with each repeat witness that comes along. Said witnesses are NEVER given the chance in a positive environment to share. The important witness is quickly forced into a defensive stance, so instead of continuing to share the positive, he/she has to spend valuable time, well defending. The unencumbered constructive flow of personal knowledge is stopped dead in its 'bigfoot tracks'. So instead of them actually wanting to learn, most there simply want to maintain their pompous know-it-all (but really know little) egos based on what they (with their lack of personal experience) think bigfoot is or isn't. Well, BFF's combined emotional equilibrium does not appear anywhere as evolved as bigfoot's seems to be. Bigfoot showed remorse towards Mike in the book. Too bad bigfoot couldn't backhand BFF into the water instead. lol And so BFF loses again, never learning a damned thing when someone comes forward. BFF is INCAPABLE of remaining positive about any new controversial topics.
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Anonymous said...
I could not agree more, the place is self defeating
July 2, 2010 3:09 PM
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Anonymous said...
Wow. These replies are just as bad as you folks claim the BFF is in thier posts. So cutting down people for cutting down people is OK in your world?
I think this whole Bigfoot thig is just a big soap opera and you peeps take it a bit too seriously.
Steve, let me make an analogy.
You own a mexican resturant and someone else owns a resturant across town from you. You cross promote becasue it's good for both businesses, but the other resturant starts criticizing your menu by calling it nutty and insane. Are you saying you wouldn't be upset, especially if you allowed them ot post your menu at thier resturant?
I guess I don't know what you expected.
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Steve said...
Steve...
Welcome to the legion of fine folks banned by BFF...it's an honor to be worn proudly and worthy of respect.
Autumn and her respectful habituation friends have forgotten more about the "North American Aboriginal Ancient Peoples" than the BFF will ever know. Where's Bipto when ya need him?
live and let live...
ole bub and the dawgs
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July 2, 2010 8:57 PM
Steven Streufert, Bigfoot Books said...
To the comment, above:A Forum is not a "Mexican restaurant" in competition with another; but rather is supposed to be an objective domain for discussion. I only said those things after I was attacked irrationally by a high-seniority friend of the dictatorial Administration, and then when the Administrative tyrant herself stepped in to exercise power for no reason. I was in effect told to kiss her ass, or else. I would not. So, I decided at that point they were the Enemy of Truth, and that I should go after them. The banning was inevitable, but it was not I who started it. I only finished it. With no freedom of speech, and rule by favoritism, the BFF will NEVER recover its former glories, and feedback on this blog post tells me that a great majority of BFing folks feel the same way.
July 2, 2010 10:39 PM
Steven Streufert, Bigfoot Books said...
Revision added...Mr. Anonymous--not to be "cutting down people," or anything, but they ARE little Hitlers. Should our sympathies go out to the Stalins and Pol Pots of this world, or should we rather stand with Truth and Reason and Goodness? To hell with the BFF!
Imagine a democratic state where DISSENT was not permitted. This would eventually be a state of either tyranny or bland conformity. It is one of the great rights, privileges, and duties as a citizen to engage in dissent when necessary. This is what I did on the BFF. I was playing nice and by the rules until I saw grievous injustice and irrationality; THEN I decided to rise up against it. Call it "death by cop" if you wish, but I'd rather not live in that nasty world of the BFF anyway. So, all is good, and now we will move onward to better things.
July 2, 2010 11:45 PM
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Anonymous said...
Anon @ 5PM,
A collective analogous response to bad behavior isn't the same as 'initiating' bad behavior. BFF has long been a place where some just seem to get their kicks tearing down people and their claims. Never mind that their logic most often only makes sense to a few there. Others are often afraid to stand up because they realize they may just as easily become the target themselves. THIS IS THE MODUS OPERANDI! There is a long line of undeserving people who have been abused at BFF. It has gone on for years. The Admins and many of the Mods enjoy the power trip they wield. They are a childish group who can't differentiate what it means to 'moderate'. What the leadership REALLY does there is 'enable' a regulated meanness, while finding satisfaction in being honored by subservient followers for what is actually lesser intelligent behavior.
The BFF leadership is assimilating new clones as we speak. New mods who have demonstrated their own inept theoretical development. The leadership must surround themselves with zealous followers groomed at the same school. Individuals who have a specific view of what bigfoot is, and by golly, they are going to make sure everyone else believes the same thing AT BFF! The BFF is a lost train leading to nowhere. A bunch of old school wannabes who will never have a real encounter of their own, because their belief system won't allow them to consider anything but a giant ape is running around our woods. Sadly many naive newcomers there don't understand yet and find BFF as a fun place to chat, while the process continues of witnesses and even credential people being attacked within various threads. It really is a deadly cycle that needs more exposure because it DOES harm the field as a whole, as well as our understanding of the intended subject being discussed.
They don't realize, their tunnel visioned limits of what they 'allow' people there to believe and discuss there, is their own reason for self failure as a group.
July 3, 2010 8:24 AM
Anonymous said...
To add: That goes for any blog or forum too.
July 3, 2010 8:26 AM
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Anonymous said...
Well, having been suspended myself over there in the past, I can tell you this (while remaining completely impartial and open to other opinions):
There is a regular gang of members/mods on BFF that regularly screams for more details, more evidence, the answers to hard questions, etc. But it's this same group that immediately thrashes anyone who tries to provide the info they are screaming for. The atmosphere is toxic. Someone posted above that every person who brings any account to the BFF is immediately placed on the defensive by the feeding frenzy that is allowed by the mods or their chosen friends, and if anyone complains about this behavior they are given a warning, suspension, or a banning. It's amazing.
The rules are selectively enforced, and don't apply to friends of the mods or the mods themselves. And if you've committed no infraction, but the mods don't want you posting on a subject, they will actually MAKE UP charges to level at you in order to "keep you down", or at least try.
And no, your PM's on the BFF are not "P" (as in Private). Yes, the mods monitor PM's there, and yes, they take action based on their content, but disguise it with the above mentioned "made up" charges.
I'm not going to ask anyone to boycott the BFF's because I think it's important to be able to witness this behavior firsthand. But I will say this: BE VERY CAREFUL OVER THERE because nothing you say is private, and everything you say can and will be used against you at some point if the mods decide you're not one of their "chosen ones".
July 3, 2010 12:36 PM
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Anonymous said... You're my hero. Yes, you.
July 3, 2010 6:20 PM
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Anonymous said...
I suspect they've noticed they are being watch & criticized and that the so-called leaders are passing the word amongst themselves plus encouraging certain posters there to ease off. If so, their motives for ever appearing to be a kinder gentler gang of jerks, will never make up for real decency.
July 3, 2010 8:52 PM
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Anonymous said...
And this from Redwolf in the Enoch thread: "Please quit pulling the "if you haven't read the book you shouldn't judge" card. It's an old and weak argument."
That is rich! Talk about the epitome of faulty logic. What a standard she would evoke for how research should be conducted. Yep, BFF is absolutely in good hands folks. hehe
Oh look, another person is given a week off in the Enoch thread for being bad. Or is it the status quo at BFF that is bad?
I've got an excellent idea. If all the different groups and researchers out there could just hold off on any announcements or news makers for a few weeks, the problem could possibly solve itself. As long as there are no public news sightings, maybe, just maybe, the ones who froth most at the mouth at bff will begin attacking and consuming one another. You know, just like a bunch of rabid animals. Sure a few innocent victims may get caught in the malay, but they would be sacrificing themselves for the greater good.
Hmm, I just had a maybe-even better idea, and more fun too. How about a blog where the sole purpose is to identify and publish for 'posterity', all the stupid asinine statements that certain people at BFF make about others. We could have a grand time, and we'd never run out of material. lol
July 4, 2010 1:07 PM
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Anonymous said...
"And this from Redwolf in the Enoch thread: "Please quit pulling the "if you haven't read the book you shouldn't judge" card. It's an old and weak argument."
Dear Redwolf: Please do not encourage ignorance. Everyone should be encouraged to inform themselves of all the facts, prior to being involved in a conversation. Unless you enjoy those around you appearing to be less than Knowledgeable about the issues they are discussing.
I know you feel it more appropriate that everyone agree with you and the Admin Team of the BFF, and there is no need for anyone to form their own opinion by self-education, but really you should be promoting responsible behavior.
I remember a day when ignorance of a subject in total, was frowned upon by the BFF.. Now it is encouraged? That is pathetic.
I wish Brian Brown would return, and toss you all out on your butts for destroying his work. You, Teresa, and JayleeD have made a complete mess out of what was once a wonderful place.
Members of the BFF have a right to be angry over the complete face plant that site has taken under Teresa's rule. Without member posts the BFF would be nothing. You should be thanking and appreciating their contribution.
I have never seen a BFF Admin make such an incredibly ignorant statement. Good Job, Redwolf.
July 5, 2010 5:57 AM
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Anonymous said...
Steve-
I noticed at the top of this page that this particular blog is getting triple the hits as normal. Well, don't get too excited about it. I'm sure a significant number of those hits are from BFF mods coming over here to see if they can dig up any dirt on anyone who posts a comment.
That's what they do.
They've shown this idiotic inter-forum paranoia before. (think back to the MRP debacle)
There aren't very many things as annoying as a small-minded control freak, and now their staff is made up of them. Redwolf and BitterMonk top that list, and their friend Blackdog is allowed to insult anyone he wants with their protection and blessing.
Nothing ever gets advanced on that forum, only torn apart. Some folks thrive on that kind of thing, and they can have it. Most of the rest of us are simply going to pass them by. And if anyone makes any kind of discovery, they'll likely tear it apart because it wasn't shared there. Business as usual. Ironic how these are the same people who enjoy criticizing other organizations so much...
July 5, 2010 11:23 AM
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Bigfoot has been a life long interest of mine. Bigfoot research has certainly developed into some strange behavior for some.
Like many others I started reading and posting at the BFF over 10 years ago, not because I had any misconception that I knew it all, but I did feel that I had learned a thing or two.
It seemed ok at first, then I began to notice how those who had a sighting were being treated and it wasn't good. It went from not good to viscous in a very short order.
Anyone who has had a sighting will have their own perspective on what it is that they saw, and this is a good thing as they might very well contribute another piece to the puzzle.
Questions are fine and helpful, but treating those who have had a sighting like they are some kind of foreign spy who needs to be put under spot lights and questioned mercilessly until their answers fit the BFF mold is ridiculous and not at all the way research is done.
I would not recommend that anyone take the BFF seriously anymore and if you have had an experience in the woods don't talk about it there, better yet don't go there at all. The only thing serious about the BFF is the blindness to their own behavior is in serious need of some serious help which I have little hope will ever happen.
July 5, 2010 12:34 PM
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Beenbeatupalready. said...
My take on BFF. Hah, pity the fool that goes there with an experience, trauma, question, seeking advice,etc.
Do not go there and share anything. I strongly urge you. they will tear you to shreds.
Yes, these people are vicious, and that is putting it mildly. They remind me of a pack of wolves, surround and then go for the kill.
July 5, 2010 9:06 PM
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Edward (Ed) has left a new comment on your post "BFF (BIGFOOT FASCIST FORUMS) BLOWBACK! Comments an...": Sorry to hear that you got caught up in the Kool Kids Klub of BFF, But it isn't unexpected from the mentality that resides there, that started with Paul Vella and his Lies and Misrepresentations that he perpetrated on that site.
The list is long, but there was only on thing that remands constant and consistent they will trash you any where and at anytime.
Until you start reminding them of the Lies and double talk that Paul and his KKK have done in the past.
And then a curious thing happens....
Threads get shut down.....reopened just long enough to put some snide snippet post in place and then it closed again.....
But when its responded to on another forum or blog, all of a sudden he and his KKK are quick to attack the forum, group and or blog, for allowing you to even Post your rebuttal.
In essence how DARE you allow this to happen, kind of attitude.
BUT, when this doesn't happen....then its lock up all threads, scrub and clean entries to threads, delete whole threads all together... and then lets pretend it never happened.
That is the BFF, KKK and Paul Vella in a nutshell.
A pretty sad statement of Human Waste and most who have dealt with them would agree.
Good luck to you, Keep the pressure up the will fold after all their leader did.
Posted by Edward (Ed) to BIGFOOT'S bLOG at July 6, 2010 9:32 AM
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Plus, an email:
"Steven, Just a note to say that I enjoy your blog. The latest posting telling it like it is regarding the BFF is spot on. Seems that anyone who doesn't fall in line with the new mod team better shut up or expect the boot. Also, thanks for the link to the Search for Bigfoot Forum. It's not one that I was a member of, just signed up today. Keep Squatchin!" -- Keeping It Anonymous
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IN RESPONSE TO A COMPLETELY FALLACIOUS COMMENT BELOW, WE WROTE THE FOLLOWING, July 8th, 2010.
To the BFF lackey, below (see Comments). Ha ha ha!!!I let this comment go through in the name of freedom of discourse. Much less can be said for the BFF environment, where I was warned for MUCH LESS ABRASIVE statements than the one you just made. Really, please quote to me and our audience here just what you think I said on that first BFF thread that was abrasive, OK? Really, I was overly polite, considering the attacks that were being made. I responded to comments sensibly, and then was accused of trying to hide from their great truths. Then I was attacked for supposedly trying to sell books on the BFF. These are violations of the spirit of reasoned debate. With no reason they were coming after me... and I am being accused of "abrasiveness"? Come on. It was "MasterBarber," "Parnassus," then the vicious "BlackDog," then "RedWolf," and finally "Teresa." See how this works its way up the scuzzy feeding chain? This is their raison d'etre. This is what they live for, not logic, not the sincere exploration of the Bigfoot phenomenon. Read the first thread again and tell me where I did anyone any wrong. Honestly, now, just look. You will see it is true. They did not "call me on it," as I had NOT DONE ANYTHING at the time I was attacked. And then the so-called "moderators" began to attack. This is NOT grown-up nor reasonable behavior.
As to your second accusation: in both this blog entry and the previous one on the same topic I made it very clear that these entries contain SATIRE. See, I found the BFF to be an intolerable environment, in part precisely because none on those discussions seemed to get when I was using HUMOR. Instead of chuckling, rather, they chose to become aggressive. I wanted to point this problem of the BFF out to the public. The time to do so was undeniable. Not only was I driven by a desire for some kind of justice, but I also found it utterly hilarious and laughable. Yes, this is ridicule, now. I am mocking you. And guess what? YOU DESERVE IT! The BFF is a childish domain, a stupid little sandbox and playground ruled by the bullies, those who just don't know how to "play nice" with other people, let alone have an intelligent and mature discussion on complex and difficult issues. Sometimes I wonder if these people running the place and their lackey-clowns are even literate. They perceive an intelligent response as arrogance, and think they are smart when they are merely snarky at best. Excuse me if you aren't laughing. It is funny to us. And I laugh at you now, you BFF CULT MEMBER mind-slave. Vindictive? You betcha; and yes, I do feel spite toward the BFF and its low standards of behavior and discourse. YES, I DO want revenge. The BFF does not deserve any longer to be considered the "most popular one-stop shop for Sasquatch talk." It IS, effectively, a mere ghetto for losers, ruled by even bigger losers. I emphatically URGE all serious Bigfooters to join me and get the heck OUT of that cesspit. So there! You amuse me, BFF, but I ain't gonna play your little games anymore.
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NO ONE ATTACKED ME HERE [in this thread]. Though it has happened at other times.
Looks like BlackDog is trying to do it, but I'm above all of that.
I was talking about attacks on Autumn Williams on another thread.
No, I am not selling ENOCH here; but I do have a copy in my shop.
Black Dog, I'm not falling for it this time. BTW. Don't you have
anything better to do than snap and bark at my heels?
I'm not implying anyone is insane. I was saying that there sometimes is
"insanity" on this forum, like most forums that discuss controversial
issues. Please re-read posts before replying, I guess, is what needs to
be said. What I said was very simple and clear, wasn't it?
Enough said.
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HERE, for Your Reading Pleasure, is a Slightly Edited (for context and concision) Email Exchange from Early June, after the First BFF Attack Situation:
ANONYMOUS INTERLOCUTOR: You got jumped, dumped, sumped and thumped over little or nothing but people afraid you might have a little power to make some contacts through your blog. The marketplace combo. of bookstore and blog sort of scared them ........[EDIT] Masterbarber hates you because of Paulides investigation.......he is a cop too. Redwolf hates you because she hates to think that maybe somebody can defend themselves from her bullying and inane posturing with her head up her arse, Blackdog is a negative troll that ran one of the other mods crazy and then essentially blackmailed/extorted him off the board.... [EDIT]. They are both horses of the same ruinous color anyway. Blackdog just trumps up stuff to jump you on. If you just out-think and out-humor him he'll get pissed and disappear for a few.....but long story short, none of these naysayer people are worth writing a dissertation over to win a debating contest except a chosen few. I'm aghast though that people like Saskeptic can't catch a clue about people like Matthew Johnson PhD who have sightings and have problems as a result. [EDIT] They all feel like they have some superhuman investigative power over the electron blogosphere and can divine truth from consequences of their self-importance. [Edit] Someone... reported Redwolf for the wussy-assed stuff [she said] and she had to rescind. But then when you rubbed it in she started back up with it they had their fun while [others were] sleeping and they closed the thread so they got the last word. That's kinda how it works when you got longtimers here and a favored crowd, it's part of the turf. None of these people would have any power contacts to cause you trouble out in Cali. believe me. You've already got enough allies to keep up your personage and your blogging....
BIGFOOT BOOKS: The BFF has degenerated, it seems. It was bad when I first started looking at it back in 2006-7 or so. This kind of thing is so unproductive, and depressing. Or it all becomes a big joke, or a game to see who can "win" by being more cynical and manipulative. I've got better things to do than deal with obnoxious negative TROLLS who don't get banned because they have been around too long on the Forums. I got "warned" over nothing, meanwhile these "long-timers" were attacking, slandering, and going off topic, not to mention "reporting" me for "being an asshole on here." HUH??? What the hell did I even do? It is insane, just an obvious bunch of people coming after me due to pre-existing biases, and hiding behind friendships and "senority."
I told Teresa that I had heard those things about MasterBarber, RedWolf and BlackDog. She just defended them. And denied it all. And showed NO sign of recognizing what had really been going on. Somehow it was MY fault as I had "argued" with an administrator. Again, I have to say: Huh? I guess I'm just supposed to salute or bow or whatever. There was complete violation of the posting guidelines by those people, but somehow I was the only one "warned." So strange. And it does not expand my faith in the Bigfoot Community so far as one may see it on the BFF, that no one on there seemed to even be able to read and follow an extended logical argument as I made more than once on that thread. So, it is obviously not really about truth or fairness or decency, but rather just whom you know. Great Forum. Jeez. It is sad, but once again I feel compelled to avoid the Forums. I'll just post my things on the blog, and then leave. And what remains will be those five-toe jerks with silly anonymous titles, playing their stupid games. Searching for Bigfoot Forum is so much more sane, and USEFUL!!!!
Best, Steve. BF BOOKS
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Our Very Last Post on the BFF... How Caustic! How Abrasive! How Deeply Offensive!
NO ONE ATTACKED ME HERE [in this thread]. Though it has happened at other times.
Looks like BlackDog is trying to do it, but I'm above all of that.
I was talking about attacks on Autumn Williams on another thread.
No, I am not selling ENOCH here; but I do have a copy in my shop.
Black Dog, I'm not falling for it this time. BTW. Don't you have
anything better to do than snap and bark at my heels?
I'm not implying anyone is insane. I was saying that there sometimes is
"insanity" on this forum, like most forums that discuss controversial
issues. Please re-read posts before replying, I guess, is what needs to
be said. What I said was very simple and clear, wasn't it?
Enough said.Steve,BF Books
AND, to Conclude: HERE'S AN EMAIL AUTHORIZED FOR POSTING WRITTEN BY Ex-BFF Moderator, "RedRatSnake":
" I think it has come time for the BFF to realize that they are not looked at as the major legitimate big foot forum any longer, the years of picking away at good research and reputations, turning folks / organizations against one another and splitting up friendships for the sake of getting a personal kick out of it is not very welcome, i urge folks to join in the boycott of the BFF and send a message to Chief Administrator Teresa and her staff that there are many other very good forums to bring research too and the BFF is off the list, Serious bigfoot enthusiast's have enough to deal with because of the ~ The Tom Biscardi Circus ~ an uncontrolled runaway tabloid like bigfoot forum further hurting the cause is certainly not needed right now." ~ RedRatSnake ~ JULY 6th 2010
NOW, GO CLICK THE "COMMENTS" LINK, BELOW, and See What Others Think!
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ANGRY BIGFOOT SPEAKS! Me angry with you stinky hu-mans. You light stinking fireworks and scare all me forest friends away. Now me very sad. And you hu-mans still shoot me friends and eat them. You hu-mans make me sick. Now me want to rub me big stinky feet in hu- man kinds face. You hu-mans can smell me big stinky hairy butt. If me see you shoot me friends or say me just big stupid ape, me hunt you down and eat you for dinner.
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Sorry to hear that you got caught up in the Kool Kids Klub of BFF, But it isn't unexpected from the mentality that resides there, that started with Paul Vella and his Lies and Misrepresentations that he perpetrated on that site.
ReplyDeleteThe list is long, but there was only on thing that remands constant and consistent they will trash you any where and at anytime.
Until you start reminding them of the Lies and double talk that Paul and his KKK have done in the past.
And then a curious thing happens....
Threads get shut down.....reopened just long enough to put some snide snippet post in place and then it closed again.....
But when its responded to on another forum or blog, all of a sudden he and his KKK are quick to attack the forum, group and or blog, for allowing you to even Post your rebuttal.
In ecessance how DARE you allow this to happen, kind of attitude.
BUT, when this doesn't happen....then its lock up all threads, scrub and clean entries to threads, delete whole threads all together.
and then lets pretend it never happened.
That is the BFF, KKK and Paul Vella in a nutshell.
A pretty sad statement of Human Waste and most who have dealt with them would agree.
Good luck to you, Keep the pressure up the will fold after all their leader did.
One word in responce to RedRatSnake's email.
ReplyDeleteWOW......
It make you wonder what other bulkheads are near FAILURE Levals.....
Anyone checked the Iceberg report lately?
That's a very interesting commentary by RedRatSnake.
ReplyDeleteNow that you were dished the same dose of medicine you dealt to others; Is there also a forum you would like to apologise to everyone you abused and oppressed while you thought you had carte blanche Nazi regime authority? I would be glad to provide examples if your memory is foggy. I'm sure lots of others would also be glad to help you repent.
I think you were abrasive on the BFF, they called you on it, and now you're being totally vindictive and acting like a child.
ReplyDeleteTo the sniveling "Anonymous" BFF lackey, above. Ha ha ha!!!
ReplyDeleteI let this comment go through in the name of freedom of discourse. Much less can be said for the BFF environment, where I was warned for MUCH LESS ABRASIVE statements than the one you just made. Really, please quote to me and our audience here just what you think I said on that first BFF thread that was abrasive, OK? Really, I was overly polite, considering the attacks that were being made. I responded to comments sensibly, and then was accused of trying to hide from their great truths. Then I was attacked for supposedly trying to sell books on the BFF. These are violations of the spirit of reasoned debate. With no reason they were coming after me... and I am being accused of "abrasiveness"? Come on. It was "MasterBarber," "Parnassus," then the vicious "BlackDog," then "RedWolf," and finally "Teresa." See how this works its way up the scuzzy feeding chain? This is their raison d'etre. This is what they live for, not logic, not the sincere exploration of the Bigfoot phenomenon. Read the first thread again and tell me where I did anyone any wrong. Honestly, now, just look. You will see it is true. They did not "call me on it," as I had NOT DONE ANYTHING at the time I was attacked. And then the so-called "moderators" began to attack. This is NOT grown-up nor reasonable behavior.
As to your second accusation: in both this blog entry and the next one on the same topic I made it very clear that these entries contain SATIRE. See, I found the BFF to be an intolerable environment, in part precisely because none on those discussions seemed to get when I was using HUMOR. Instead of chuckling, rather, they chose to become aggressive. I wanted to point this problem of the BFF out to the public. The time to do so was undeniable. Not only was I driven by a desire for some kind of justice, but I also found it utterly hilarious and laughable. Yes, this is ridicule, now. I am mocking you. And guess what? YOU DESERVE IT! The BFF is a childish domain, a stupid little sandbox and playground ruled by the bullies, those who just don't know how to "play nice" with other people, let alone have an intelligent and mature discussion on complex and difficult issues. Sometimes I wonder if these people running the place and their lackey-clowns are even literate. They perceive an intelligent response as arrogance, and think they are smart when they are merely snarky at best. Excuse me if you aren't laughing. It is funny to us. And I laugh at you now, you BFF CULT MEMBER mind-slave. Vindictive? You betcha; and yes, I do feel spite toward the BFF and its low standards of behavior and discourse. YES, I DO want revenge. The BFF does not deserve any longer to be considered the "most popular one-stop shop for Sasquatch talk." It IS, effectively, a mere ghetto for losers, ruled by even bigger losers. I emphatically URGE all serious Bigfooters to join me and get the heck OUT of that cesspit. So there! You amuse me, BFF, but I ain't gonna play your little games anymore.
I'm the anon above. First, I'm not a BFF member. Second, it does seem to me that you're totally overreacting. If the BFF is such a bunch of idiots, why do you care what they think? It seems you've gone off the deep end over this. Is it because it may cut into your sales? Is there something personal going on? Or are you really that overly sensitive? The whole thing just seems childish to me, JMO and wondering if you'll also post this. I thought it was cool you posted my first comment, but then I realized it was just so you could have an excuse to go ballistic again. Seriously, consider the importance of all this in the grand scheme of things, not much, and you're making a fool of yourself over not much. It's a private forum, they can regulate speech however they want. Move on to something positive, amigo.
ReplyDeleteI made the mistake of becoming a member of the BFF before making a total review of the ENTIRE forum over there. Boy did I mess up. Wasn't a member for one week before I had been personally attacked twice AND put on warning for tactfully defending myself. Of course, I wasn't supposed to relate ANY personal experiences,(per their guidelines) Shame on me. Sorry, but bending over to take it (willingly) -you know where- from a stranger no less, is not my style. Nor will it be. It amazes me how the attempted personal assinations fly on bff. Don't you dare have a personal view-point on any subject. Don't you dare have first hand knowledge of ANYTHING that they don't have themselves. And the selective enforcement of the forum guidelines over there is amazing. One good thing though, The admin group as a whole, are too ignorant to conceal their mis-behavior. So anyone with a brain can see it readily enough. I pity some members who stay. They are mearly waiting for their turn to be abused. They will stay until it happens to them. I would have shared my own experiences with them if they had acted like mature thinking people instead of sniveling rabid animals, looking for fresh prey. Oh well, their loss, my gain.
ReplyDeletePART ONE:
ReplyDeleteHi Anonymous, of "I'm the anon above." Yes, I will post this. AND I will reply. I am not going to censor discourse here, unless it gets seriously slanderous or hateful. I censor SPAM, not reasonable replies. Your reply was fairly reasonable, however limited and ignorant of the entire process that had occurred between myself and the BFF administrators. NO, it is not personal, as I really have no idea who these people even are, beyond their obvious lameness on the discussion threads I've been on, where I have seen their terrible behavior. I have since learned a whole lot more about them and the site, from others with the very same experiences, and I feel FULLY JUSTIFIED in the position I have taken.
Sorry about the "sniveling" thing. I was kidding. Yes, there I was over the top. I am laughing about all of this. Don't you see that my tone and style here is one of SATIRE? "Childish"? I am just having fun with them and this issue, and justifiably making fun of the BFF. It is not "overreacting" if I am intentionally mocking a situation. But seriously, I think it is WRONG the way they conduct themselves, and I do seriously oppose it. I believe a boycott IS necessary to bring them to the realization that they do not rule the world of Bigfooting, to show them in the mirror what they really look like. Obviously, the BFF has the right to be a stupid bully sandbox ruled by petty manipulators. But does that make them deserving any longer of the status they formerly held? It is sad to see what has happened to the site since the recent "regime change."
NO. I NEVER SAID THAT I THINK ALL OF THE PEOPLE ON THE BFF ARE IDIOTS. I am saying, rather, that the modus operandi of the administrators is idiotic and counterproductive. There are PLENTY OF FINE PEOPLE on there, plenty of bright minds, plenty with sincere positions. It is also hypocritical of the administrators, though, as the site supposedly stands as the best place to talk about Sasquatch on the internet. IT IS NOT, any longer. This needs to be shown, and the alternatives known.
PART TWO: to Anonymous, of "I'm the anon above."
ReplyDeleteYou did not answer my question. In the first discussion thread, where do you think I was "abrasive" or annoying? It is from there that this situation stems. I was only mildly sardonic, at worst, in that first thread; and mainly I just politely tried to show my positions on interviewing Bob Hieronimus, and the position of my blogging and Bigfoot research as I presented it on the BFF. I WAS NOT THERE TO MAKE MONEY. I DO NOT DO BIGFOOTING TO CASH IN. I cannot believe that you really read the thread, as here you go again with the same stupid rail about "it may cut into your sales." Give me a break, please. This is why I called you a "lackey"--you are repeating the same non sequiters used by the BFF "attack dogs."
My "sales" have nothing to do with Bigfoot, OK? It is a very minor part of my business, and I stock books on Bigfoot only because I like them and they keep the people happy when they come in here looking for Bigfoot culture and information. It stimulates conversation and brings reports of Bigfoot sightings. As a profit domain it is break-even at best. I explained all of this, though; and if you were really sincere about this subject you would have read that and seen it to be true. Or perhaps you ARE just a puppet of BlackDog and RedWolf???
In the bigger picture, obviously, this is not really important. It is Bigfooting, after all, which is a joke to the mainstream of this country. However, when I see degeneration of discourse and tyrannical bullying, whatever the domain, I will oppose it if I am involved in that domain. Far from making a fool of myself, friend, I am taking a serious position on an issue that goes way beyond Bigfoot Research. It is about reason, logic, sanity and consideration. These things are important to me, whatever the area of society. In regard to the playful foolishness of my blog, well, it is fun, and a lot of people are laughing along with me. So, if you can't roll with the jokes maybe go back to the BFF and party with the Trolls over there. And don't ever stick your neck out, or they just might ban you, too. Then you will SEE. Just read nearly ALL of the other comments on this blog entry and you will see the undeniable proof of it.
Anon here again (I must like torture, huh?)
ReplyDeleteOK, first let me say I respect you posting my comments, even though they don't paint you favorably. Of course, it also gives you the chance to attack me and the BFF again, I know that.
I did read all the posts, I still think you came across as sarcastic. There is a huge difference between sarcasm and irony. I am not a BFF lackey, I rarely read it, just happened to find this exchange from YOUR blog.
This whole thing is just so representative of how closely people hold bigfoot in the same way as they hold religion, you see the same kind of attacks and arguing.
My whole point is that the whole exchange is really beneath anyone who is be reasonable, both sides are at fault. C'mon, you guys, this is why nobody takes the subject seriously. And so what who cares if the BFF is a bunch of whatevers, just vote with your feet. It's a waste of time attacking anyone, it's a battle no one can win.
A little light-hearted sarcasm never hurt anybody. Mockery has its place, especially when one is being hounded--I did so kindly enough, with I thought a fairly jolly air at first. That, sarcasm, is not the point. I was attacked personally and censored for other reasons, or for no reason at all, and had to respond somehow, and then was attacked again for repsonding. This is their game. This is what the hounds drool over. Fine. I AM voting with my feet, that is why I went and provoked them--and I am encouraging others to do so. That is the whole point of this blog entry and the previous one. GLAD YOU FINALLY SEE THE LIGHT. Be it Bigfoot or not, as I said, I'd still respond as I have to the same circumstance. This has nothing to do with religion or belief; it has to do with fair debate and a civil society. This little Forum is a microcosm of larger problems. Perhaps if we can solve this little mystery we can all learn how to be civil and sane, and move on, yes, to the bigger Mystery. Fair enough. Enough said.
ReplyDeleteThis is a "re-occuring theme". "Anon" you still did not answer Steve's question. Yes, we know how you feel about how you feel Steve's reaction to all this has been, but no one has yet pointed to where on the BFF, he acted "abusive" or "annoying". If he didn't want the answer, why would he ask here?
ReplyDeleteI am left to believe there is a reason why you won't post those comments here, as you have been asked and you have ignored the request now multiple times.
Yes, Melissa, it is a mystery to me. But then, I LIKE Mysteries. There were a lot of "dogs" (in their user names or avatar images) on that BFF thread. I think I just stepped in their doo-doo, and then they came around to sniff my shoes. They got offended when I didn't want to smell their butts, like dogs do, nor kiss the butt of their Alpha-Female Cult Queen. Ah well. Moving on now....
ReplyDeleteReplying to Mr Anonymous ...
ReplyDeleteThat's a very interesting commentary by RedRatSnake.
If you have a grudge with me fine, i stepped on some toes and as a mod on that forum it is too be expected,i left on my own free will because i did not like the new management and was tired of the way folks were treated simple as that, Now i made a comment here because i feel that Steven has a very good point and folks need to know that the BFF is not the place to look for help or bring research information too . . . . i would like to point out that the opportunity you took here to reply to me in such a way was very much in line with what i would expect from some of the folks at the BFF was it not ~
Tim :)
You didn't like the new management. So the old management was acceptable?
ReplyDeleteThat's like saying "I miss the kinder gentler Nazi".....If your looking for a smooth road to redemption you have quite the goat trail ahead of you.
Perhaps we should give RedRatSnake the room and consideration he needs to tell us more here? It may be interesting. Perhaps he has escaped from the BFF CULT and needs some recovery time and support?
ReplyDeleteOk, Steven I’m Listening………
ReplyDeleteRedRatSnake I hope you don’t mind us asking a few questions?
Was there a policy (written or unwritten) to attack individuals or groups?
What is the difference between the current management and the previous management that made the current management so unpalatable? (I know you commented that you didn’t like the way people were treated, but could you elaborate one this?)
Do you believe that there still is influence from the Vella regime?
While I made the comment about there being a goat trail, you have to admit and to some extent you did in your previous comment that there is some angst and out right anger with anyone associated with the administration of the BFF past and present.
So having said that I hope you will continue enlighten us…..
Friends, the Gulf of Mexico is dying. We're in an economic Depression. Global warming is real. Millions are dying of starvation. The number of homeless people and domestic pets is increasing. On and on and on...
ReplyDeleteWhy not spend your anger and time on something that matters? Who gives a flying eff about the BFF? Get a life.
So, friend, above: we are to give up ALL conversations about anything else other than an oil spill, the economy, global warming, starvation, homelessness and pets? Well, then I expect you never again to talk about sports, clothes, music, movies, what you had for dinner last night, your lover, God, history, non-domestic animals, cars, your mortgage, your garden, your community and friends, politics other than the above, spirituality, poetry, your health problems, your personal life experiences, stamp collecting, YouTube videos, rivers, eagles, bears, snow, rain, sunshine, your favorite drug, coffee, tea, novels you've read, your children's development, your grandmother, how you love pesto, Oprah, Lady Gaga, Obama, Jesus, Buddha, and Tantric Sex. You are BANNED from ever mentioning these things. And if you DO, I will immediately say, Get a Life! Jeez.
ReplyDeleteBigfoot is what we do here. I and most of my readers are INTO Bigfoot studies, or the quest to encounter the creature. It is not the ONLY thing we do, friend. Sure, I care about the things you mention; I just do not blog about them. See? There is plenty of that being done already. Do you have Google on your computer? Go ahead and check it out.
As far as the BFF goes, well, see, it does matter to us, and we do see reasons to oppose the kind of discourse that goes on there, or the suppression of discourse. We care because we do Bigfoot Research. OKAY? Why don't you go hassle the folks who are into Bigfoot Monster Trucks? What happens in the debates in the Bigfoot community and on the BFF is a microcosm for larger debates and issues, and emblematic of the larger patterns of behavior and interaction in our society. If we resolve problems in this microcosm, perhaps the macro issues will be able to be seen in a better light, and more productively. THIS is what we are really talking about, and it is a shame that your mind's focus is so narrow that you cannot see that.
And look, if Bigfoot does indeed exist (I don't know if you believe), then it is a MAJOR ENVIRONMENTAL AND EVEN POLITICAL ISSUE. How, then, are we to account for their presence, to preserve them and their habitat, understand ourselves in the context of them, and how do we consider our own origins in light of them? It is a serious matter, however much you scoff.
Ed, above: I'm not saying let bygones be bygones, or to just forgive and forget whatever bad things happened in the past. But it is clear that RedRatSnake has had a change of heart. He may not find salvation and forgiveness, but perhaps he is repenting? Perhaps he has had a change of heart and ideology, and may now be a very interesting source of information? Maybe?
ReplyDeleteWas there a policy (written or unwritten) to attack individuals or groups?
ReplyDelete~~~ There was no policy as far as i know ~~~
What is the difference between the current management and the previous management that made the current management so unpalatable? (I know you commented that you didn’t like the way people were treated, but could you elaborate one this?)
~~~ The past management had a tuff leader that was not very easily intimidated or gullible ~~~
~~~ The Present management is the total opposite, very easily influenced by close friends and prone to erratic behavior ~~~
Do you believe that there still is influence from the Vella regime?
~~~ Now that he is no longer in charge the forum direction has taken a big turn, so i have to say No ~~~
While I made the comment about there being a goat trail, you have to admit and to some extent you did in your previous comment that there is some angst and out right anger with anyone associated with the administration of the BFF past and present.
~~~ Yes i started feeling some resentment almost as soon as i became a mod, the entire forum experience changed for me and it took a bit to adjust, sure i made a few enemies i guess but not nearly as much as i did friends, i tried to keep the peace and spent hours thinking up ways to keep the place happy and fun as i could, i don't think i was a tyrant there at all, i very rarely had to take any action against a member, i tried to be fair as i could and always contacted everyone and tried to work things out, if that failed then i took action if needed ~~~
Tim :)
I see Momma Melissa had to step in and try and make herself relavant again, very predictable. There's never a slamfest she won't miss.
ReplyDeleteTim, someone said on another forum that you were demoted, but you said you left on your own free will. What is the truth? Remember all anyone has to do is PM everyone who was on the BFF staff at the time to verify it. Unless of course you believe that they are all liars.
"There is never a slamfest she wont miss".
ReplyDeleteWell, if that were true, I would be an active member on the BFF!!
I wouldn't post on that forum if you held a gun to my head.
How about you post all the insults and rules broken by Steve, that caused his suspension. I see that request keeps going unanswered.
Wonder why?
Hold up.. Didn't directing a comment like "Momma Melissa" get a member suspended on the BFF, when it was directed at Redwolf?
ReplyDeleteI thought that was considered offensive to women???
Huh.
Tim, someone said on another forum that you were demoted, but you said you left on your own free will. What is the truth? Remember all anyone has to do is PM everyone who was on the BFF staff at the time to verify it. Unless of course you believe that they are all liars.
ReplyDeleteHi
Can i ask everyone that you don't presume i am lying, one thing i have always been is upfront with everyone, i don't do things behind folks back here cause i feel it is a coward way ~
I quit the mod job in February of this year for the first time because i was starting to take crap from some of the long time regulars and chief admin friends ( BM,RW,BD,WT,) on the forum because i was sticking up for folks that posted experiences and research and they didn't like, i was then asked to come back and was told i was doing a good job and i could mod the way i had been for the last 8 months or so but not too long after i started taking crap again cause i stepped on BD & BM toes, so i bailed out again and called it quits, i was then asked to come back and after a week of mails i came back with the promise that i would be left to mod the way i wanted too, that never happened so i started to speak up and all my posts in the mod room were shot down, i decided i had enough of the lies and sticking up for friends over running the forum in a decent way and that was that ~
Tim :)
Thanks Tim for you answers, I may have a few more next week.
ReplyDeleteSteve take care.....
Thanks Tim, now I know who the liar is. He's a member of the staff on Melissa's forum. Aint that a kick in the head?
ReplyDeleteMellisa, all anyone has to do is read your blog to know you enjoy a good slam fest... you must think people don't get that.
And nope, no one got suspended for the mother comment, it was a misunderstanding. But you never let facts get in the way of a good slam fest do you?
Hi Timmy,
ReplyDeleteYou can ask we don't presume you are lying. Hold your breath waiting.
Questions:
1. It took you 2 years of interaction to figure out that Black Dog was a negative troll who never offers anything constructive to a conversation or to this research? Even Vella got fed up with him and banned him, until Teresa weaseled him back in.
2. Please explain to the readers why you were investigating(spying) the profiles of the SFB administrators and other members during the MRP Hoaxers fiasco. What information were you looking for and who did you share that information with?
3. Why did you feel a need to protect the MRP from the same questions that they have presented to other researchers for years? Why did you feel this was unfair treatment of the MRP?
4. You saw the way witnesses were treated on that forum a long time before you became a moderator. You even communicated to me your disdain for it. Why would you allow yourself to become a part of that environment? Were you just yanking my chain? What about Le Petit Pied? Do you remember what they did to her? Do you remember what they did to me?
Waiting....
John Cartwright
I have to jump in here in Tim's (RRS) defense. He has always been extremely fair on BFF and only tried to keep things fair and that is all you can ask from a moderator. Tim DID leave on his on free will, and I was aware of all of it as it was happeneing.
ReplyDeleteThere is a negative and abusive behavior that is being allowed, even perpetrated by SOME of the admins there. That can be witnessed by anyone that goes there and tries to post an experiece. Skeptisizm is healthy for any forum, but the biased, rude and unrespectable manner that is going on there has caused many GREAT people to leave.
Tim has many friends that have left with him. I consider Tim to be a friend of mine as well. He was the only mod that ever welcomed almost every member in a PM when they joined and would constantly PM members with positive comments thanking them when they posted positive posts. HE was always trying to improve things and spent many hours a day doing so.
I still post there somewhat, but it is usually only to defend my friends that are still there. I will debate the mods or negative people there that are basically there just to cause a problem because that is my nature. I will fight until the end for people that are trying to further BF research respecting the subject and are positive influences in that endevour. I can also say that this is a REAL creature, yes I am a witness with unique experiences. I ask that folks here to stay positive, stay fair in your assessments of other people.
John
ReplyDeleteI never had any real interaction with blackdog, personally i didn't care for his attitude or his brand of hit and run tactic's, if he was taking any flack he would call in his buddied and i though that was just being a total coward.
The MRP was a pretty cool thing in my opinion and i really thought there was something good in it and still do so i tried to give as much support as i could to it, i did not like the way folks posted peoples address and phone numbers cause that was wrong . . . . .
When i was asked to be a mod i was very happy and thought it was a good chance for me to try and make some changes, i took the job and tried like hell to get the place to lighten up, i did everything to help that i had mailed you about, i also tried to help others that got banned, you have to realized i was a new mod and totally different than the others cause i wanted the bff to be more peaceful and the rest of the staff did seem to share that feeling, i liked Lea and talked to her all the time, i was on her side but she didn't want to be part of the forum any longer, John i am well aware of what happened to you and we talked alot about it, i was not responsible for you getting banned, a lot of good folks got a shit deal and there was nothing i could do, i am proud of my job i did there and i think for at at least a little while i had some good going on there, unfortunately the forces against that were to much and i felt like i could not do the job i wanted to anylonger so i bailed
Tim
Tim,
ReplyDeleteSO you took the job as a mod trying to change the place instead of enforcing the rules already in place, is that right?
You tried to make it your own forum and it backfired on you.
Maybe you're the reason the BFF is going through this stuff right now. No one knows what the place is supposed to be about because you screwed it up so badly.
Maybe Steve would still be there if you didn't make it seem that it was OK to jump on the skeptics there instead of following the guidelines, which say everyone is welcome including skeptics.
Nice job....
LOL ~ ya i took the reins and no one had a say in it at all, the staff just let me do what i wanted and never said a word until i screwed the entire forum up cause of my incompetent ways ~~~~~~~~ Did you even take the time to read what i have been saying ?? it is folks like you that are the communication breakdown here cause you shoot off and make up your own answers before you even get a reply, don't waste your time with any questions MR Anonymous i am done with you . . . .
ReplyDeleteTim
Anonymous said:
ReplyDelete"Thanks Tim, now I know who the liar is. He's a member of the staff on Melissa's forum. Aint that a kick in the head?
Mellisa, all anyone has to do is read your blog to know you enjoy a good slam fest... you must think people don't get that.
And nope, no one got suspended for the mother comment, it was a misunderstanding. But you never let facts get in the way of a good slam fest do you?"
First of all, I love how you post "Anonymous".
Second, it seems to me the only thing anyone has gotten wrong on my forum is that Tim left the BFF of his own free will. But it does appear he was pretty upset with the way he was treated, and that person on my board got it right when they said it was all because Tim tried to reign in blackdog - which is always a mistake.
I think you need to pay closer attention to what Tim said. He actually validated quite a bit for me.
That was a bold faced lie. Then why did Lexi have to apologize to Redwolf (publicly) over a misunderstanding?? And why was she told to have a nice vacation, before the public apology? Did someone send her to mexico? I think everyone knows what that meant, and Lexi apologizing to Redwolf for the "mamma" is what got her suspension suspended. Nice try, but too many witnessed that one happening.
I have noticed other warnings and suspensions were removed from the open forum.. Did Lexi's get removed too? I find out these things some how.. I wonder, how it is I find things out? Could people be telling me what is going on? Huh. Naa. Couldnt be.
I have the facts, and I know that bothers the hell out of you. You just keep on posting anonymous and ignoring the questions asked by Steve,
What did Steve say that was so insulting on the BFF that demanded he be removed from the BFF? He has asked now a number of times, and yet this basic question any 5th grader can understand keeps getting ignored.
FYI. Tim discusses how he did not appreciate the outing of information on the BFF in the MRP situation. I see that has gone back to normal on the BFF. I knew it was only a matter of time, and vidicates me when I said "Nothing was done to the MRP that hasnt been done to others on the BFF".
Now, it would appear certain people are openly discussing the whereabouts of "Mike" on the BFF.... With no administrator interruption of how morally corrupt this is, and the heart string pulling, or conspiracy theories stacking up. Are you in the Enoch thread complaining about this?? Nope. Because you think it's justified, because you dont think the story is legit, and never should have been published. Those are good enough reasons? Huh?
Funny how the truth comes out.
Thats what I thought you'd say.
ReplyDeleteNo one screwed things up except you Tim. It wasn't your forum. The rules were in place and you tried to change them.
After hearing what you had to say I can't blame Steve for being confused about what the BFF was about. You encouraged breaking the guidelines to mold it into what you thought your forum should be. But you were wrong, it wasn't your forum. Just like Mellisa's forum isn't your forum or the BFD isn't your forum or any other bigfoot forum isn't your forum. Or the Knife forums weren't your forums.
As I said before, Steve might still be a member in good standing if you didn't screw with the rules so much no one knew what to expect.
Tim,
ReplyDeleteYou never had any interaction with Black Dog or even the rest of these Admin and Moderator trolls? Anyone who is or was a member of the Bigfoot Discussion board can sign into the members only section and read differently. Peddle this "I am a victim" malarkey to someone else who does not know better. You were knee deep in it.
You still never answered the question about what you were doing on the Search for Bigfoot forum during the MRP meltdown. Waiting...
I will agree with you on one thing. I do not agree with the posting of anyone's personal information on a forum for any reason. But why did it only bother you in the case of the MRP? Like Melissa said, it has gone on there before with people like William Lett and Rick Noll or still does now with the "Mike" person.
I did not bring up the bad treatment of witnesses for my benefit Tim. I don't want or need your or anyone's pity. Getting banned and also having my personal IP address blocked from that forum was a positive for me. It forced me to educate myself on the topic in better places with more positive people. People who I know actually get out there and do actual field work. Not learning from these bitter trolls who live their lives on forums insulting witnesses, and have no knowledge of actual field work. I want to personally thank Teresa and JayleeD for doing that for me. I am much better off and will never, ever return there.
The only thing I worry about are the new people and the witnesses who show up there. Maybe some of them are as naive as I was. Maybe they are just looking for a place to talk about Bigfoot without the fear and ridicule usually endured by witnesses and new enthusiasts.
This is not about you, me, Steve or anyone else posting in this thread Tim. This is about them. I can only pray that a few read this first.
John Cartwright
Anonymous said,
ReplyDelete"As I said before, Steve might still be a member in good standing if you didn't screw with the rules so much no one knew what to expect." End quote.
This has got to be the MOST uncalled for and hateful statements I have ever seen, in reference to this entire subject. The simple fact is that you’re angry that Tim had the guts to say anything. So, you do what you do on the BFF - attack and hurl insults. Throw blame at anyone but yourself and your wretched attitude.
So, what you are saying is even though Tim was no longer on the staff, the Administrative team of the BFF, was so discombobulated, they couldn’t correct all of Tim’s changes and thus Steve was banned because of Tim’s enormous changes, even though, Tim, was already gone? Am I reading that right? How was a moderator able to make changes to the posting guidelines? How did he overrule BOTH Paul Vella and Teresa Hall? You know, Paul and Teresa, the ex and current owners.
I have made no secret of my being upset and even angry with Tim, for various things, but there is no way I will ever believe the downward slide of the BFF into the toilet is the fault of one low level worker on the BFF. Are you seriously saying Paul Vella and Teresa Hall are so incompetent as leaders they wouldn’t tell a low level moderator to read the rules and stick to them? That certainly does not sound like the Teresa Hall that wrote the rules of the SFB and enforced them with the members, and Staff. So, what you are saying is since Teresa left my forum, she is unable to express herself? I highly doubt that. Tim wasn't even an Administrator - he was a Moderator.
I am glad there are people like you trying your level best to defend the BFF and their tactics. Your words go a long way to prove what many have been saying about the BFF since Brian left and long before Tim ever showed up as a moderator. I know the way people like you think, because I have been down this road before, so before you say it, let me say this..
I am not defending Tim simply because he admitted to what I had suspected. I am defending him because your comments are uncalled for, rude, obnoxious and simply wrong. If Tim was able to effect the kind of changes that have brought the BFF to its current low status, and cause all kinds of confusing for the existing staff, please point those rules out. I would like to see proof of this.
Which by the way, sounds to me like Tim understood the goal of Brian Brown, when he created the BFF. Because the BFF hasn't been true to that goal since Brian left.
Since when is it wrong that people be heard? Apparently you enjoy that right, even if you do so Anonymously.
While I may not agree with Tim on specific issues, he was not even on the staff when the BFF started its slide down the toilet. So, you can't blame any of this on him. It's funny, but I remember Tim being one of the nicer people to post on the BFF. Sure, he has taken his swings at me, but you know what - I still do not hold him responsible for everything that is wrong with the BFF - there are others that need to step up and take a bow for that disgrace. That started before, Tim and has gotten even worse since he left.
Your comments directed at Tim, are a good example of exactly what happens on the BFF all the time, and what is wrong with the BFF. Thank you for allowing yourself to be just a sample of what to expect if one posts on the BFF, Anonymous.
I may be opinionated, but I can still determine the difference between right and wrong. Your accusations against Tim, are wrong.
Well now....it seems the last Mr Anonymous here has some sort of personal vendetta against Tim. So, there will be nothing said that you, Mr. Anonymous will not take it and twist it back to get at Tim. I say it is people like you that makes all forums bad. Your unrelenting, unreasonable attacks are based on BS and will never be anything but personal. I can tell you that Tim was the best damn mod there period. If he ever did or said anything to you, I feel based on your BS here, you more than likely deserved it.
ReplyDeleteI for one would like Steven's take on the fact that Tim is the reason he got banned. From my vantage point, the new administration at BFF is SOLEY the problem there period.
Quote Melissa with the irrelevant text edited out:
ReplyDelete"I... me... my... I... me... I... I... I... I... I... me... I... I... I... I... me... I..."
Its always about Melissa.
Hi John
ReplyDeleteI had mailed blackdog a few times when he was let back on the forum to see what kind of person he was cause i really didn't know much of him at all be before that, in fact the first time i ever really met him was in a chat on BFD and he gave me crap from the moment i logged on and i ended up leaving the chat room.
As far a going on the SFB forum at the time of the MRP i was reading what was being said there, i was a member in good standing and had every right to do so, i never crossed posted or broke any of the rules so i don't see what the problem was on that.
The question about releasing personal info i can't say much about rick at all cause i was not part of that and if i knew about it i would have spoke up even if i was not a mod, using a forum to give personal info out is something i don't like at all.
John i am here speaking up about the bff cause i want folks to know what it might be like if they post there, i won't go as far as to say i want to protect people cause everyone got to fend for them selves, but at least with us talking here some might know enough about there and be prepared or maybe we are giving them free ads and the forum will grow who knows all i care about is the fact i sleep better at night cause i am not mixed up in the place no longer.
Tim
Oh yeah, that was intelligent and oh so adult. What are you 5 Anonymous?
ReplyDeleteHow about answering the questions you were asked. Starting with "what did steve do that demanded he be removed from the BFF", I think that is the 3rd or 4th time I have asked this same question.
See, an excellent question that has nothing to do with me. :)
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I would also like to hear Steve discuss Barry's question.
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteQuote Melissa with the irrelevant text edited out:
"I... me... my... I... me... I... I... I... I... I... me... I... I... I... I... me... I..."
Its always about Melissa.
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Fair is foul, and foul is fair:
Hover through the fog and filthy air.
Said the Three Witches from Macbeth:
Teresa, Jaylee and Redwolf the three of them will never learn…..enough with the Anonymous BS you have an agenda and that is apparent, at leased stand up and be proud of the position you’re taking other wise SHUT UP.
You just look like fools when you post like this girls.
So, Melissa wants answers about what happened to Steve at BFF? Why in the world doesn't she just ask THEM? Why does she keep coming here to whine like this? Huh?
ReplyDeleteSince your post was a question i'll put my two cents in it, with the currant administration and atmosphere that has blown in on the bff recently i don't really think it would be the best place to look for honest or fair answers, in fact i am 100% sure it would be an almost total one sided bashing that would end in a few more brave honest members getting banned for speaking out ~~~
ReplyDeleteTim :)
Hi Ed,
ReplyDeleteIt's "least" not "leased".
Who are you Ed? you got a last name? Post it or otherwise your just as anonymous as all the other anonymous posters here. Be proud of your position Ed!
I doubt Ed is even you first name, so why don't you just call me Enoch.
Mellissa,
Everyone knows you think its all about you. Nothing you or I can change that, even your "I know you are but what am I?" response doesn't change it. Nice try though. what's next, a poopy butt reference?
Enoch
Tim said:
ReplyDeleteSince your post was a question i'll put my two cents in it, with the currant administration and atmosphere that has blown in on the bff recently i don't really think it would be the best place to look for honest or fair answers, in fact i am 100% sure it would be an almost total one sided bashing that would end in a few more brave honest members getting banned for speaking out ~~~
Tim :)" End quote
Tim. I am sure many would agree with you on that answer.
Question. When you say you left the BFF on your own, were you made to feel like you needed to leave? If so, how? Were you told specific members were off limits to moderator action?
Thank you.
Melissa
It's Ed Smith so which witch are you?
ReplyDeleteI doubt that you would even be truthful about that..
Quote Anonymous:
ReplyDeleteMellissa,
Everyone knows you think its all about you. Nothing you or I can change that, even your "I know you are but what am I?" response doesn't change it. Nice try though. what's next, a poopy butt reference? End quote
This, in the end, is supposed to be about getting our acts together for the sake of the work going on in the field, and the witnesses who hope they will be treated fairly. But, I suppose you could care less about those things either. It’s far more entertaining for you to blame others, and deny the problem, or any responsibility.
Those that post here anonymously, and are so critical of Tim, would like Tim to take the blame for everything. This issue (overall) is not a (Tim) RedRatSnake problem, and anyone with the basic ability to reason knows that. Blame me, call me names all you like, I could care less, but your comments prove the point I have been making all along. No, this is not about me, and I am not sure why you are making this about me. Other than to detract.
Some where along the line, what is supposed to be the overriding issue, has been forgotten, by select individuals, who now have a much larger format to spread their message on, as it didn’t seem to be working on the Bigfoot Discussions Board.
Some of those individuals are posting here “anonymously”, as if no one can figure out who they are.
It’s little wonder we have 40 years of nothing much. Oh, I am not angry. I am disappointed. Disappointed in adults who act like children and could care less about the one issue they say, they care about the most - this research. I’m sure you tell people you care about the field of Bigfoot Research,” anonymous”, but I must say your comments here are more of an elementary mentality and designed to detract from the message intended. I bet you don’t even know what that message is, Anonymous. I will leave the “poopy butt” comments to you, I would hate to take anything away from your large arsenal of witty retorts.
I do appreciate such a public statement about how you approach people and this research though.
You are wise to post as Anonymous. Which (by the way) tells me, you already know your attitude and thoughts are not the majority opinion, any longer. If they were, you would happily post using your name. How is that for common sense reasoning?
Good choice.
Question. When you say you left the BFF on your own, were you made to feel like you needed to leave? If so, how? Were you told specific members were off limits to moderator action?
ReplyDeleteI was getting very frustrated with the way certain friends were being left alone to act as they wanted too, any action i took was reversed for one reason / excuse or another, i was looking out for the entire membership, some of the staff were just looking out for there friends, it was to the point of almost getting into fights about it so i left before it got unnecessarily ugly, I was never told any member was off limits but anyone that has been there knows there are members that have that status ~
Tim
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ReplyDeleteTim,
ReplyDeleteThank you for the response. I have another question if you dont mind. In your first post here you said,
"splitting up friendships for the sake of getting a personal kick out of it"
In reference to the BFF Admin. Could you please elaborate on this.
Thanks, Melissa
From what i see there was very little regard for what the long term affects would be when things were let to pan out or run there course for the sake of amusement, take the LT fiasco, he was allowed to run the forum with his little band of buddies and very little was said to him, everyone knew it was wrong to let him and his buds behave like they did but they were bringing in the posts so nothing was done despite many many mails asking for action, there were many members banned at that time because LT was being protected and that helped to split up a lot of folks that were regulars on the forum, it also help to boost tension between many folks and i think eventually led to so many of the log time folks that had propelled the forum to be the one stop for bigfoot talk to leave and find other places to bring there research too ~ but i guess by sticking to the ole ~ it's a privilege to post here motto ~ they can justify that letting folks get bashed is ok , remember this is a forum that advertises everything bigfoot but delivers very little when it comes to the subject.
ReplyDeleteTim :)
All I can say is ALOT of good people have stopped posting there
ReplyDeleteTim, you defended the mrp from inconvenient realities, face up to that.
ReplyDeleteThe things that are wrong with bff are simple:
ReplyDeleteteresa hall
jayleed
redwolf
andthe fact that blackdog is allowed to troll without consequence
You are guilty of attacking certain members at the time in the anti-LT fever pitch. If you want to be taken seriously here than own to your own implication in these things. You were part of them and you know it. Address this.
ReplyDeleteLast year during the debacle when Ed Emith and Paul Vella started, 4 members of the BFF appeared at the MABRC Forums, Redratsnake, Carolina Dog (Omache), Bipedalist and Peregrine (under a different alias) and began stirring up crap, cross posting information from the MABRC forums to the BFF, making demands for answers that they weren't entitled to, and when they all were banned, Redratsnake (Tim) was in with the rest, attacking the MABRC on the BFF. He subsequently was made a moderator. Was it a reward for being a part of the attack group that came to the MABRC? I don't know, but it seems really convenient that he was made a moderator soon after.
ReplyDeleteYou (Tim) appeared at one time to be a good person, I think you (Tim) just laid down with snakes and it come back to bite you. You made bad decisions while in your tenure with the BFF, and if you want people to sympathize with you about your treatment there, you should remember, you didn't sympathize with those you helped attack. Even if you come clean with all you know, you still attacked others you had no business attacking and showed no remorse for it.
Wow...
ReplyDeleteInteresting.. Sounds like a whole bunch (or maybe just a vocal few) BFF rejects are a little bitter about it.
Pretty much shows that y'all never really got (and still don't get) what the place is about anyway.
Funny how many folks that get banned from there go on to start their own boards and then whine about how they got banned from BFF for YEARS afterwards.
Guess it must leave a mark...
Well i think it is time to move on and say good bye to the BF community, is has been fun at times but i had lost my interest ~ so it's time to say SO LONG ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ReplyDeleteTim :)
"Wow...
ReplyDeleteInteresting.. Sounds like a whole bunch (or maybe just a vocal few) BFF rejects are a little bitter about it.
Pretty much shows that y'all never really got (and still don't get) what the place is about anyway.
Funny how many folks that get banned from there go on to start their own boards and then whine about how they got banned from BFF for YEARS afterwards.
Guess it must leave a mark... "
So what is it about then? the dogpiles? the attacks? A private playground for Teresa, Jayleed, Redwolf, Black Dog, Bittermonk and Wolftrax to wipe their asses on something some of us find interesting?
"Well i think it is time to move on and say good bye to the BF community, is has been fun at times but i had lost my interest ~ so it's time to say SO LONG ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ReplyDeleteTim :) "
So you come on over and expect sypmathy for being bit after doing some of the biting yourself, and when you get questions instead, you leave rather than face up to your past. That's not repetence Tim, it's denial.
"Pretty much shows that y'all never really got (and still don't get) what the place is about anyway."
ReplyDeleteThat being Teresa of course. Y'all come back now, y'here?
Wow, what a bunch of ridiculousness over a creature that doesn't even exist.
ReplyDeleteNo wonder people have wars with each other. Just wow. You guys ALL need a little perspective - IT'S JUST THE INTERNET.
Go hug your dog or kids or spouse or whatever and GROW UP!!!!
And no, I'm not on the BFF or any other ridiculous bigfoot forum. Jeeses. you're all making total fools out of yourselves, I've seen more restraint on a playground.
"No wonder people have wars with each other. Just wow. You guys ALL need a little perspective - IT'S JUST THE INTERNET."
ReplyDeleteYou know what Anonymous, I actually agree with much of what you said. The problem is this. Some of us, are not embarassed or shamed by the fact that we get out and look for Bigfoot. We attach our names, in the hope it will make witnesses more comfortable coming to us, as we are people first. In doing so, yes I (and others) took a risk. But, I have always felt if you believe in something - you should be willing to put your name to it.
Here is the issue. Instead of having civil disagreements, your personal "world" gets attacked. These people call your boss, they call your families, they make your life a living hell by searching out information and posting it in the internet. If they can't find it, they WILL make it up. One guy was so angry with me for not giving him a good review, he went on a message board and told people I moved from Washington State to Texas, because I was on the run from the law... I never lived in Washington State.... I don't think I ever laughed so hard in my life. If you knew me, you would laugh too.
These are supposed to be our fellow Bigfoot Researchers.
This is about warning new people, who think they will get a fair shake, and trust these people. It should also be noted, a push back by the greater Bigfoot Community against these tactics rarely happens.
I don't care if people show up on my forum or not (be they researchers or witnesses) but I do care how they are treated by this community I am apart of. Mistreated witnesses reflect on us all. I do care about the reputation they give us all as "unstable".
We are fools, in the eyes of most, simply for saying we are bigfoot researchers..It's a no win situation. LOL :)
I just noticed this on your blog, it's new:
ReplyDelete"This blog is copyright 2010 by Bigfoot Books and Steven Streufert. Images in this blog post are used as SATIRE, and are presented for SATIRICAL AND HUMOROUS PURPOSES ONLY. No claims of actual fascism or communism are really being made here!"
Did the BFF threaten to sue you? Are you retracting your free speech manifesto by saying it was all satire?
Re. "Satire" in the comment above. I offer you the following definition. NO, we are not retracting our seriously held statements and positions; rather, by the use of satire we are furthering and elaborating upon them. Consider what the word means:
ReplyDelete"sat·ire /ˈsætaɪər/ [sat-ahyuhr]
–noun
1. the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc.
2. a literary composition, in verse or prose, in which human folly and vice are held up to scorn, derision, or ridicule.
3. a literary genre comprising such compositions."
And this: NO, the BFF did not threaten to sue me. However, what better way to "cover one's ass" than with a joke??? We retract NOTHING. We rather encourage all remaining BFF members who may have encountered censorship and unfairness on the site to SPEAK UP, ACT UP, do something ON the BFF. Do so within the posting guidelines if you wish. See if it STILL gets you banned. Be willing to sacrifice your status or membership there in the name of the CAUSE OF TRUTH. We encourage you all to have balls, or whatever other form of fortitude, and to take a stand for sane and fair discourse within the Bigfooting world. To be continued, as they say....
ReplyDeleteMelissa said...
ReplyDelete"No wonder people have wars with each other. Just wow. You guys ALL need a little perspective - IT'S JUST THE INTERNET."
You know what Anonymous, I actually agree with much of what you said. The problem is this. Some of us, are not embarassed or shamed by the fact that we get out and look for Bigfoot. We attach our names, in the hope it will make witnesses more comfortable coming to us, as we are people first. In doing so, yes I (and others) took a risk. But, I have always felt if you believe in something - you should be willing to put your name to it.
Here is the issue. Instead of having civil disagreements, your personal "world" gets attacked. These people call your boss, they call your families, they make your life a living hell by searching out information and posting it in the internet. If they can't find it, they WILL make it up. One guy was so angry with me for not giving him a good review, he went on a message board and told people I moved from Washington State to Texas, because I was on the run from the law... I never lived in Washington State.... I don't think I ever laughed so hard in my life. If you knew me, you would laugh too.
These are supposed to be our fellow Bigfoot Researchers.
This is about warning new people, who think they will get a fair shake, and trust these people. It should also be noted, a push back by the greater Bigfoot Community against these tactics rarely happens.
I don't care if people show up on my forum or not (be they researchers or witnesses) but I do care how they are treated by this community I am apart of. Mistreated witnesses reflect on us all. I do care about the reputation they give us all as "unstable".
We are fools, in the eyes of most, simply for saying we are bigfoot researchers..It's a no win situation. LOL :)
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Very well said......
BYE BYE TERESA, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!!LOL!!
ReplyDeletethe biggest problem with the BFF is the trolls, most come from JREF, and adding that to the trolls already there.......this is what ruined the site, and prolly why bipto stopped it, closed down....
ReplyDeletewhen tim was there he was the peacemaker, and hes a good dude too, but hes right, the bff aint about bigfoot anymore, its just a bitchfest between chosen members and jrefites, when ever I see someone taking them on, just go to jref and they make fun of that person and figure out a way to dogpile them from over there, strange world we live in......kit has also ruined it for a me ...hes allowed to post his venom while others cant, maybe cause hes friends with T, who knows.........
BFF seems to only allow two opinions both conservative though opposing, anything inbetween is not only denegrated by other members freely but the mods work one by one to give out warnings to the polite member with the wrong opinion to the point of openly defaming them, till they are permanently banned and their reputation destroyed. I know its happening to me. The Australian Yowie Hunters forum is worse but apparently their defamation and slander of ex members has an important place in BBF decisions. Slander after slander, defamation after defamation and the person is ruined, depressed, ready for a legal battle they can ill afford. What is the problem with just discussing BF. Why the politics and denegration. How is it a cheif administrator on BFF can get away with what might be legally found to be defamation of a person and denegration openly, not reply to requests to edit their post and leave the person to suffer more and more disreputation. THANKS FOR A PLACE TO SAY it
ReplyDeleteMinor point and I hate to say it, but Goebbles never said that quote. He accused the Brits of doing the big lie thing.
ReplyDeleteGoebbels actually accused others of using the technique. In a 1941 article titled “ Churchill’s Lie Factory,” he wrote:
“One should not as a rule reveal one’s secrets, since one does not know if and when one may need them again. The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.”
He accuses the English of the “big lie,” and suggests that, were he to use such a technique, he would not publicly announce it.