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The Blevins "Patty" suit--about as realistic as our own childhood wolfman get-up. They love it at JREF, though! |
BIGFOOT'S BLOG,
Late March, 2011, EDITION, PART ONE
THE LEROY BLEVINS INTERVIEW,
well, an attempt at one, anyway....
Well, sometimes we worry about the cat walking on the keyboard and accidentally publishing our blog or sending an email for me, with crazy, messed-up cat content. That is how publishing this feels, at times; but we are doing it of our own accord. Last year a much-belabored process produced the wandering, incomplete, on-again-off-again interview with one Leroy Blevins, Sr., which follows. He is known for his, um, "interesting" ideas about the Patterson-Gimlin Film. Call it "alternative history," or perhaps "conspiracy theory," or maybe even "sheer imagination and pareidolia." We wanted to question him about it. He began to ramble, not following the direction or questions of the interview, and then finally coasted right off the tracks, crashing headlong into the JFK assassination. Not too surprising, this, when one considers Blevins also claims to have found the Garden of Eden, Noah's Ark, and that Bigfoot is actually an Edomite. We guess his attention span couldn't hold him, as the interview was actually going pretty well for a while. Rather than waste this material, we're just going to publish it here. Please forgive its fragmentary form. There are great humorous things and some fine PGF minutiae in here, if you know what you're looking for in it. If you thought that the ideas of MK Davis were "out there," then you may be surprised that MK is just a pretty normal guy in comparison. Read on....
Take it with a grain of salt. Blevins provided very little substantive proof for any of this theories. This interview took place a year or so ago, so his ideas and our own understanding have both changed somewhat since then.
Here it is, in the raw. BEWARE! This covers, with illustrations, about 113 pages in WORD. It covers about 70 single-spaced text only pages. Someone should pay us for doing this!
NOTE: You are looking at PART ONE of the INTERVIEW.
or just see below for the next blog entry.
Also... Read our previous blog entry touching on Blevins matters HERE.
What is Pareidolia, you ask? Read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia
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But first....
OFFICIAL NOTICE:
"MKD" has informed us that his Theory, heretofore known as "The Bluff Creek Massacre," was not ever a "massacre" theory, and that he in any case never called it by that name. He does not want us or anyone to call it that any longer. There never was, we guess, a "massacre." We would therefore like to disavow all prior references on this blog's pages to this theory as such. We will now try to find a new name for it that will be acceptable to Mr. D., as well as recognizable to all in the Bigfoot Community, who should know what the heck we are talking about whenever we mention this particular set of ideas about what happened in Bluff Creek in 1967 (or was it 1964 now, MKD?). WE HAVE ASKED MKD FOR AN OFFICIAL NAME. He has not gotten back to us on this issue yet, though many emails were exchanged back and forth.
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Theory That Dare Not Speak Its Name |
We could call it "THE-THEORY-FORMERLY-KNOWN-AS-MASSACRE," but he wouldn't like that either. We're trying to be accommodating here, really! Now, if YOU have a better name for the theory, please comment or drop us an email. For now we will just have to call it the "BLUFF CREEK 'BLEEP' THEORY." Any reference to this theoretical construct that may appear below is part of an interview conducted a long ways back now, and we cannot be held accountable for everything in it, especially if Mr. Blevins said it. We DO hope you understand. We just want to ask one thing here for now: IF IT WASN'T A "BLEEP," THEN WHAT WAS IT? A Bigfoot slaughter? A self-defensive aggression with collateral hairy-humanoid damage? The Titmus-Green-Dahinden-Patterson-Gimlin Illuminati Bury-the-Evidence Confab? The Theory that Dare Not Speak Its Name? WHAT DO WE CALL THE DARN THING????
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TALKING TO MR. BLEVINS ABOUT THE PGF AND BIGFOOT: WHAT HE "SEES" AND WHAT HE "SHOWS"
Recently, Patterson-Gimlin Film researcher/debunker, Leroy Blevins, Sr., read our MK Davis interview, and then sent the following question. We had spoken to him before, at length, last year; and this question sparked another round of discourse. It has evolved into an interview, but because of the wide-ranging nature of the discussion, much of it was not containable in the formal interview process. Hence, we are including all of the discourse that stemmed from it for you to see and consider. Original Blevins grammar and syntax have been left as they are--there's only so many times we can say "sic." Not all of this could be arranged chronologically, so please be tolerant and willing to follow where these winds blow. Oddly enough, despite all of the attempted debunking that follows, Blevins is a BIGFOOT BELIEVER. He saw one once!
If you haven't read our more recent blog post on Blevins-related issues, you might want to refer to it HERE.
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Leroy Blevins, Sr.: Pareidolia Genius |
LEROY BLEVINS: Steve,
I like to ask you something if you don't mind. I been going over interviews on MK Davis and Bob Gimlin. Now the question I like to ask is Who was the one that shot part of the film that shows Patterson with the pack horse in the canyon and woods and who was the one that shot part of the footage that shows Patterson making the cast prints and Patterson holding the cast prints?
The reason for this question is in the interview Bob Gimlin did with John Green on Nov 5 2009 Bob Gimlin was asked about the camera on who had the camera Bob said Roger had the camera the whole time. And he also said he knows nothing about cameras or how to take pictures with a camera even today he has never tooken pictures. So I like to know who was the one that was filming Patterson at Bluff Creek when Bob claim he did not have the camera or even taken any photos. So there had to be someone else with them for Patterson to be filmed at Bluff Creek.
Leroy
PS Do you have MK Davis e-mail address I lost it and I like to ask him somethings if you don't mind
BIGFOOT BOOKS: Leroy,
Say, can we do this discussion as part of an interview for my blog? I'd assure you that if you did this I would not edit or distort what you say, but just try to discuss it with you in the questioning/discussion that will be out in the open as the body of the interview. Since I am a blogger on a weekly schedule, I like to try to put discussions like this into the blog if possible, rather than just having them privately.
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Here is some other "stuff" we found in your Gimlin image. Are they all real? They are just as obvious and clear as your "Bob." Blevins says he sees Bob Gimlin hiding in the bushes behind "Patty" in the P-G Film. It is just an illusion, like our "man" here. |
Actually, Patterson rode a smaller pony most of the time, and it appears that he is on Gimlin's larger horse in that woods footage. And it appears that Gimlin is riding Patterson's horse in that other footage.
I don't know what to make of what Gimlin said about the filming. In other places he has said that he filmed Patterson making the track casts, and in the woods a few times. I really don't know. He is like 79 or so now, so his memory of things long ago is obviously going to be spotty at times. Also, it is hard for me to refer to a radio interview. Are you speaking of the Larry Battson show one? I guess I should listen to it again.
I say, just don't jump to conclusions when there is not enough evidence to show things one way or the other.
Steve, Bigfoot Books
LEROY BLEVINS: I don't mind doing a interview. But may I ask a question if you don't mind.
Why?
The reason I said this is what doe's it matter. As you know I send you what I found in the film but all you can do and even other people come up this excuses on what I found. Like the saddlebag I send you still photos that shows Patterson on his horse with no saddlebag on his horse. But you said it was Bob Gimlin horse or this part of the film no one knows when it was filmed. Instead of looking at it and say something like you do show there was no saddlbag on his horse now how did Patterson get his camera out of a saddlebag when the film shows him with no saddlebag. Now if you was there then I can say ok it was Bob Gimlin horse or this part of the film was shot days before. But you was not there just like me I was not there. Now if Bob Gimlin seen this interview and see you made your claim it was his horse or it was film another day then if someone ask Bob Gimlin about this photo that shows Patterson horse with no saddlebag then he can say the same thing you said in your claim. Now is this right on finding the truth? So you see this is why I said WHY.
Just like I can point out somethings that a lot of people and even researchers said it can not be done even you said the same thing. Like the timeline they told of that weekend. Filming the Bigfoot and making cast prints and going into town to mail out the film then get the film developed and show all 3 reels on Sunday and again on Monday. When I know by making calls to places that developed this type of film and they told me it take about 2 or 3 days to developed all 3 reels and they all close at noon on Saturday. So like I said there is no way they did this on this 1 weekend. But today Bob Gimlin still telling this same story and we know that is a lie. So just this alone shows Bob Gimlin lying.
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Here's our quick PhotoShop hack job to show the "other guy sitting on Blevins' "Gimlin's" knee. Which one is "real"??? NEITHER. |
Patterson used another man as a standin for Bob Gimlin and claim he was Bob Gimlin.
Patterson is lying on both times.
So you see just in these two things here you can see that Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin both lied. So how can you stand up for them and how can anyone believe these two men when they both was caught lying.
I like to point out something again. Bob Gimlin claim in the interview on Nov 5 2009 that when he was at home he had a friend that seen Patterson and the Bob Gimlin standin and he said his friend stand up and yelled out that is not Bob Gimlin I know Bob Gimlin and that not him and then he was kicked out. But in the interview when Bob Gimlin first told the story he said his friend called him after the show and said that Patterson was useing some other man in his place and claim he was Bob Gimlin. But his friend did not said nothing for he did not like to start a riot so he said nothing and keeped quiet. So you see again from Oct he tells the story to a man on Oct 20 and just 15 days latter he changed the story. And I know you will say he is old but still Bob Gimlin changed his story again. So you see it does not matter what I say or show you are someone else will make up a excuses for Bob Gimlin or Patterson. When what you need to do is find Bob Gimlin and ask him these questions and let him come up with the answers.
Ask Bob Gimlin to answer why there is no saddlebag on Patterson horse.
Ask Bob Gimlin why does one photo shows him standing behind the brush.
Ask Bob Gimlin why is there other images of men found in the film and why they took them out.
Ask Bob Gimlin why the film shows more men there with him and Patterson.
Ask Bob Gimlin why is Bob Heironimus and Jerry Merritt on reel 2 with Patterson makeing the cast prints and holding the cast prints in his hand on this same reel.
Ask Bob Gimlin why the Bigfoot stop 9 times in the film and stand upright.
Ask Bob Gimlin why are there two different feet on the Bigfoot and why don't the cast prints match the feet on this Bigfoot.
Ask Bob Gimlin when was the film shot and when did they get the film developed.
You see only Bob can asnwer these question not you or me only Bob Gimlin. I show what I found in the film and still photos but Bob Gimlin is the only one that can asnwer the question. Like in that interview he was on Nov 5 2009 in that interview Bob Gimlin claim he was at Bluff Creek the last week of September or the first of October. Then Larry said you mean Oct 20 and he said ya that right. Just like Bob Gimlin for years claim the Bigfoot was just a little over 6' but after he seen the Munns report now he claim the Bigfoot was 7'4". Come on Bob Gimlin is getting words put into his mouth and he is only telling the same story they tell him to say. So now do you get my point. And the reason I said why.
What I show is there no matter what anyone say I show what I found and the only man that can asnwer the question is Bob Gimlin and you and I know Bob Gimlin will never answer these claim or questions.
So you see you answer any of the things I show you are not giveing Bob Gimlin the time to come up with the answer for he is use to people telling him the answers to the questions. You can see this in all of the interviews he was in. Like in a interview with Bob Gimlin and Roger Patterson, Bob Gimlin said the arms of the Bigfoot was way down past it's knee then Patterson said no the arms did not go past the knees like that and Bob Gimlin said ya thats right. So you see Bob Gimlin is given the answers to the questions and he is not coming up with the answers on his own.
Now like right in front of Bob Gimlin Patterson claim his horse fell on him but Bob Gimlin did not say nothing. Now both of the things I just said are told in 1 interview Now if Bob Gimlin tells the truth as people claim why did Bob Gimlin stop Patterson and said now the horse did not fall on you like when Patterson stop Bob Gimlin on the claim of the arms below the knees. Now Patterson stop Bob so why Bob did not stop Patterson.
So you think about this first and let me know what you think on what I said. Thank you God Bless, Leroy
The thing is, you take inconsistencies in the stories as lies, but they are not necessarily so. You can say they are lies, but they may just be differences in how things were remembered.
Also, it really is NOT proven when those first images were taken, so you cannot necessarily presume that the non-saddlebagged horse is the same horse at the same time that Patterson was riding when they saw the Creature. You just can't, and it cannot be proven from the scant evidence that we have.
Gimlin and Patterson had different memories, or they didn't get their stories straight, or they forgot things over time. That seems clear.
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Blevins' "Gimlin." Do you see him? Wait, how could he be riding a horse if he was actually hiding in the bushes? Also, Blevins does not realize those trees are at perhaps 45 feet or more away from the Bigfoot. His "Gimlin" is a giant! |
The point of doing an interview with you is that we could go through these things systematically, and try to analyze them together. The matters with Bob Gimlin need to be taken up with him, but obviously you'd have to ask him. I am not his "good friend" or anything, though I have met him a few times; and in any case he would surely resent your accusations, or would be very tired of this kind of questioning. He has told his story, and that is where he stands. He isn't changing it at this point.
LEROY BLEVINS: Ok Steve, Let us do this but first let us go over everything and not just part ok. And let us also start at the beginning and not in the middle or end let us go over everything so they can see it from both side with nothing add to the story and not hear say from others. Plus we need to look at the answers they give and not the answers he say or give. And we also will go over my findings and talk about them points by points so people can see what I am talking about plus we are talking about my research on the film and not the researchers research that was done on the film. But when can use some of there research to prove our points in this interview so people can read for them self to understand.
Ok now lets do this.
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Or Maybe You Believe BOB? |
The story:
Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin claim they was at Bluff Creek Ca. They claim to have seen and film a Bigfoot at Bluff Creek on Oct 20, 1967. They road their horse to in the woods and up some roads and a around a bend and they came up on the Bigfoot. They claim the horse gone wild and Roger Patterson claim that him and his horse fell to the ground then he got up really fast and got the camera out of his saddle bag and started to film the Bigfoot. Now as he was filming the Bigfoot he was running up on it as Bob Gimlin road his horse across the creek bed and took out his rifle to cover Patterson. Now as Patterson was filming the Bigfoot The Bigfoot it self just walked away very comely and just looked back and contenu to just walk away as these two men was running up on it with things in their hands but the Bigfoot just walked away. After the Bigfoot was gone Patterson reloaded his camera with new film and they started to film some more of the tracks the Bigfoot left behind and also they made cast prints of the tracks. After they was done they road their horses back to the camp site and got into the truck and drove 17 miles into town so Roger Patterson can mail out 3 reels of film they shot to his brother in-law Al DeAtley. Now Patterson send it to the airport in Seattle Washington. This was all done on Friday Oct 20, 1967.
Now Saturday Patterson brother in-law (Al DeAtley) recessive the film at the Seattle Washington Airport at 10 AM Saturday morning. He then took the all 3 reels and got them developed and gone back to his home in Yakima Washington. This was all done on Saturday Oct 21, 1967. Now on Sunday Patterson and Gimlin gone back to Yakima Washington however Bob Gimlin gone straight home as Patterson gone to his brother in-laws (Al DeAtley) house to look over the 3 reels of film. When Patterson got to his brother in-laws (Al DeAtley) house they gone into his basement to look over the 3 reels of film. At that time there was two other men upstairs waiting to see the film too. Now as soon as Patterson and his brother in-law (Al DeAtley) seen all 3 reels they told the other two men they can see the film. Now this was all done on Sunday Oct 22, 1967. Now the next day Roger Patterson and his brother in-law (Al DeAtley) gone to Canada to show the film to some researchers there. They shown the film to the researchers but they only shown 2 of the 3 reels. After they shown the reel 1 and reel 2 two of the researchers asked can they have a copy of reel 2 so they can look over the tracks of the Bigfoot and the tracks left by the horses. Roger Patterson told them they will have a copy of reel 2 by Friday. Note: However they never got a copy of reel 2 and no one has never seen reel 3 only Roger Patterson and his brother in-law (Al DeAtley). Now all of this was done on Monday Oct 23,1967.
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Or Maybe You Believe Roger? |
The reason for the question can this be done in the time frame they tell in the story.
Friday Oct 20, 1967 They filmed and made cast prints and film some more then road all over the place in trucks and horse and mail out the film.
Saturday Oct 21,1967 Patterson brother in-law (Al DeAtley) drove to Seattle got the film at 10 AM and got all 3 reels developed and drove back to Yakima.
Sunday Oct 22, 1967 Patterson and his brother in-law (Al DeAtley) viewed all 3 reels at his house in Yakima Washington and even two other men.
Monday Oct 23, 1967 Patterson and his brother in-law (Al DeAtley) shown the film to researchers in Canada.
As you see just in this timeline alone there are questions that needed answers too and where is the proof to back this story up they tell. So I did some research on this story to find if what they told is true or not and to find if the time frames can line up to the story. First I made some calls to places in Seattle Washington that develops this type of film and was open back in 1967. I found 11 companies in Washington that develope this type of film and was open in 1967. All of them claim they did not develope the film for Patterson or anyone else but they did tell me that there was no way that 3 reels of film of this type can be develope in one day even on a Saturday for all of them close at noon on Saturday. This gives 2hr for Al DeAtley to get the film and find a place to develope the film. However I did talk to one company that did developed the film for Al DeAtley and they was 3 reels but they claim it was droped off on Tuesday Oct 10, 1967 and was picked up on Friday Oct 13, 1967. So I asked did they have any recordes of this and they said no. So it was back to hear say. But they did also told me that it takes 2 or 3 days to develope this type of film and to do all 3 reels and they too also close at noon on a Saturday. So looking at this so far by the time to develope this film don't fits the story they told.
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Or Maybe You Just Believe Patty? |
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Patterson with Casts, Bluff Creek |
BIGFOOT BOOKS: Leroy, We'd have to start from the start, with me asking you a question, and the points and discussion following. You know, I can't address all of that information at once, and it won't introduce you to the reader. We'd have to do some fact checking along the way, too--can you cite sources for all of your information?
The first question should be...
BIGFOOT BOOKS: Mr. Blevins, could you tell us a bit about yourself, your background, and how you became interested in Bigfoot and the Patterson-Gimlin film?
LEROY BLEVINS: I am 43 years old I have a wife and 5 kids. I am retired from construction of 30 years, I have always had a passion for history,I started to do research at the age of 14 looking for the true history of man. On my spare time I study the Bible, Egyptian, Native American History, American History, Hunting, Tracking, Filming and Photo Analyzing. After I retire I started to do my research full time. I did research on Noah's ark, Garden of Eden, Sodom and Gomorrah, The ark of the covenant, and other stories told in the Bible looking for the true stories that are told.In my research I have found the true story of Noah and the flood and I also found the location of Noah's ark at rest on Mt Ararat, I also found the location of The Garden of Eden. I also did research on the Zodiac Killer and found away to read the letters he wrote. I became interested in Bigfoot 9 years ago when I seen one as I was going home from work. It was in the middle of the summer and we just got done with a roof job in Indiana I lived in Ohio. So we gone throw Kentucky and as we was going throw Kentucky on the highway it was around 4PM now I know this, is everyday from 4:01 or 4:02 this radio station always played Another Brick in the Wall by Pick Floyd. Now as we was going down the highway my nephew point to the side of the road and said is that a monkey and as I looked it stood up and I said no that not a monkey we was only about 20 ft away from this creature. We stop to look at it and it just stood there for about 4 min's just looking at us. I can see the face and the whole body it was a male he stood upright he was around 7'1" he had brown fur but the front of the torso was more of a lighter color. The face looked like a big man face with a beard and long hair and you can smell this bad odor. Then it just turn around and step over this 4ft fence and walked away into the woods. That same night when I got home I took off of work for the next 3 days to go over books and research by others just to find the start of this hair man. I have heard of Bigfoot by my research on the Native American and also when I first seen the Patterson and Gimlin Bigfoot film back in 1976.
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Patterson on Horse in Bluff Creek. Do YOU See the Saddlebags? |
So for them 3 days I did research looking for the start of this creature that is when I gone back to the Bible and found the start of this type of man. The Bigfoot was a Edomite. The Edomites was a race of man that was very big and had fur that covered their body's and was stronger then us. They lived in the woods and fields. They had a smell they also made a bitter cry when they are upset. The Edomites first lived in a city called Edom they built a city in the mountain side just as the same you see here in the USA these cave city's in the mountain side. There is a lot more I can tell on this research but that would take up some time. So the reason I started to do research on the PG film was one day about 4 years ago a man called me and said will you take a look over the Patterson and Gimlin Bigfoot film for me. I then ask him his name and he said just call me a friend. So I ask him how he got my number and why he like for me to go over this film. He told me he seen my research on Noah's ark and seen I found the ark and he also seen some of my other research I did on other things in the Bible. So I said will the Bible has nothing to do with the PG film. He said will you look for the truth and everything you claim you show. But I said I don't know. Now he called me 3 other time before I said yes to do my research on this film. Now at first when I started to go over the film I was looking for proof to back the film 100% for I seen a Bigfoot just 5 years earlier. At first going over the PG film it did looked very real to me but I needed to look over the whole film and not just parts of the film. You see in my research I go over the whole stories that are told and not just parts of the story I even do testing on the claims and the story just to find if it can be done or can not be done. This is how I do my research. I don't send my research out to others to test for me or look over for me I do the testing and research myself this way there is no hear say or anything added to the research just right to the point. But at this point as I started to slow down the film to get a better look at all of the surrounding in the film. I learned in research that the only way to find the truth is not only look at the object but also the surroundings for they also can tell you something that happen. So when I started to slow down the film I found things in the film that stand out in the surroundings. One of the first things I found in the film was another man hat. This hat came in and out of frame as Patterson was filming Bob Gimlin riding down this dirt road with the pack horse. If you look you can see in 1 frame the brim of the hat and the next frame the whole hat. You can see it on the bottom right corner in the film. Now it was told that there was only the two men there that day but here in the film shows Bob Gimlin in front of the camera then you have Patterson behind the camera on his horse and now you have this other man hat come in and out of frame. Now by looking at the film you can see that Patterson was filming from his horse by the motion of the camera and the the angle as he filmed Bob Gimlin with the pack horse they both was at the same level. The hat may look bigger then what it is from the sunlight reflecting off this white hat. The two frames that shows the hat will be send with this e-mail.
BIGFOOT BOOKS: Well, that is very interesting. I'm not too sure how well known you are in the world of Bigfooting, but my sense of it is that those within the Bigfoot community who do know about you think of you as a debunker and disbeliever. In actual fact, then, you DO believe, as you have seen one. Why did you pursue the analysis of the Patterson-Gimlin Film (PGF), instead of seeking the creature itself and trying to prove it, after you saw one?
Can you give the Biblical references you have used, for our readers? It would seem you fall definitely on the side of "Bigfoot as Human." But how is it that, if they once lived in cities and alongside of us, they now are so hidden and elusive, animal-like, living wild and leaving absolutely no evidence of technology, building, cities or societal organization? What happened to them?
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Gimlin with Packhorse in Bluff Creek. |
Regarding the "hat": just to be clear, for our readers, this is not from the actual, famous "Patterson-Gimlin Film," the clip that everyone has seen, with the Bigfoot creature in it. Rather, it is from the same reel of film used in that trip, called Reel One by researchers. The Bigfoot part is the last minute or so of that reel. As the story goes, that footage was taken previously, either earlier that day or on an earlier day, before they saw the creature. As in all of the stories about October 20th, 1967, Patterson had the camera stashed away in a saddlebag at the time of the sighting.
Can you tell us what version of the film you are using for analysis? And also, have you found this "hat" in other copies of the film to confirm that it is there on the original and not a film defect in one of the copies?
To me it does kind of look like a hat, but is so obscure in form and cartoonish in shape that I can't really take it as being a real hat. Besides, it looks sort of like one of those large, tall, dress cowboy hats worn by dudes and town dandies, and not a practical horseman's outdoors hat such as the one worn by Bob Gimlin in that image. How can you explain that it appears so fleetingly? I mean, it is only in two frames, and that would be about 1/8th of a second for a camera running at 16 frames per second. That is really beyond the speed of normal human or animal movement, I'd think, especially for a back-and-forth motion. Also, the bill of the "hat" looks kind of oddly shaped. Have you found a real make of hat that matches both the shape of the top and the bill, for comparison?
LEROY BLEVINS: This is one reason I agreed to do research on the PG film is to find the proof to back the film and show it, so people well know this creature did in fact exist. and I have gone out on expeditions in the past and plan on going out again this weekend.
Part of the Bible I found the start of this kind of man.
Genesis Chapter 25 V21
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A Scene of "Edomite Bigfoot" in the Hell of Michelangelo's Last Judgment. |
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Green Showing His Copy of the PG Film on X-Creatures. |
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The Blevins "Hat," with Gimlin in Foreground. |
Now after I found this photo there was something that match this photo to the PG film and here it is. On Reel 2 you will find two other men on that reel and they are Jerry Merritt and Bob Heironimus. Now both of these men are in this one photo with Bob Gimlin and Roger Patterson taken by Larry Lund. Now as you watch reel1 and reel2 you will see that Jerry Merritt, Bob Heironimus, Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin all have the same clothes on in the film and in this photo. Now I know that you can see one or even two men having on the same clothes but all 4 of these men having on the same clothes in this photo taken by Larry Lund and also have the same clothes on in reel1 and reel2. Now the film and even this photo was both taken in the fall of 1967. Is this a coincedence maybe but a very big one like 1 in a 1,000,000. Just like one photo of the Bigfoot at the film site there are two photos that shows the bottom of the feet of the Bigfoot and you can clearly see they are two different types of feet. The left foot has no toes and the right foot has toes and looks more like a foot but the left foot don't even look like a foot. I even try to match the cast prints to the feet of this Bigfoot seen in the two photos and they don't even match this Bigfoot. The left foot or right foot. Now I also found in the one photo of the left foot showing hiding behind the brush Mr. Bob Gimlin. Yes Bob Gimlin was not on his horse as he claim for the photo shows him behind the brush as the Bigfoot walked past him. I know that you and I talked about this before and you told me that another researcher claim the Bigfoot was 20 to 30ft away from the tree but that is what he told. So I did a test on this and found that the Bigfoot was only 3 or 4 ft away from the tree then the 20 to 30 ft as claim by another. I also did a test why was Bob Gimlin behind the brush and the test shows a man with a head piece on can not hear 6ft away from him. Now the camera man was about 25ft away and you need someone closer to the man in the suit to let him know when to walk and when to stop. I will send photos with this as well. Now when I zoom in on the face behind the brush I match the face of Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin to the face behind the brush and the only face that match was the face of Bob Gimlin. Now I als found the height of the man and it was between the height of 5'6" to 5'8" and this height match the height of Bob Gimlin. Now the man behind the brush also has on a long sleeve blue shirt and again Bob Gimlin had on that day a long sleeve blue shirt. And again you see Bob Gimlin in the photo by Larry Lund and Bob Gimlin has on this long sleeve blue shirt on.
Your voice recording observations are interesting. However, to me they are quite vague. And besides, why would these Bigfoot creatures speak to one another in English, and how could they possibly speak so quickly that their voice would have to be slowed down many times over to make it sound that way. This reminds me of playing Led Zeppelin records backward. I did indeed hear those "Satan Messages" in there. So I tried it on The Doors. I heard Satan there, too. I even tried it on the Cookie Monster album, and lo, there were lots of cool phrases in there, too. I find this kind of observation highly dubious and subjective, just like looking at blobs and blurs and shadows in a photo or still of a film and then finding all kinds of mysterious "hidden" content.
Your version of the film, as I recall, was copied from YouTube. Isn't it? I'm sure you know that the compression on that site removes pixels and frames (as far as I understand it), and presents a generally very low quality image. If that is the copy you are using then I would say all of your conclusions are suspect and questionable. Also, that "hat" part: it was NOT on the other copies of the PGF, but so far as I know it has appeared in the public arena only from John Green's copy. So, you cannot say that it is there in all the copies because people only copied the Bigfoot part, so far as we know. If not, where in the world did you find your footage from the earlier part of Reel 1, other than Green's copy?
Regarding Gimlin being in the bushes behind the Creature.... Well, the dimensions of the film site and the placement of the trackway were well documented at the time. What "test" did you do? Why would your test be more credible than the records of several researchers who were there on the ground at the REAL film site and took REAL physical measurements? Look at Rene Dahinden's measurements, as well as his photo taken from above on the hillside above the film site. You will see that the creature is very small on the sandbar, and is moving quite away from the trees, even though it does not look that way due to the optical illusion of the film perspective. Three-dimensional things look flat in a two-dimensional plane. It is well known that you cannot easily measure distance solely from looking at film frames. HENCE, if Gimlin were in those bushes he would have to be a literal GIANT to appear at essentially the same size as the creature. Please see the photos I am attaching for a true view of the film site. Your early frames under question here would have been at the far left side of the photo image. From such a distinct blur I have no idea how you could really calculate the "man's" height, and looking at your images trying to prove the color of his "shirt" I see so much color distortion and pixelation that I can't tell if any of it is correct to the original setting and objects.
You mention that one foot does not have any toes... but can't you see that there is a very distinct blur line right at that spot in the image you are using. This looks like original camera blur made even worse by a very poor and pixelated digitization of the thing. Why on earth, if the suit were faked, would he not put toes on the foot? Your shape-size comparisons with the footprints, too, are terribly wrong because of the differing angles of view between the two.
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Blevins claiming that these Yakima-area docudrama images taken by Patterson's film project were shot in Bluff Creek and were part of "roll two." NOPE. |
Please see, also, my image of your "Bob Gimlin" in the bushes, with my own discoveries circled. I see a crazy deer head, a dancing tiny bigfoot, and so many other strange things that look just as real as your Gimlin. Also, your Gimlin is so blurry that it might as well have been Elvis hiding in those trees.
OK, sorry, but I had to answer your points. Let's try to narrow it down somewhat for the next round. That way we can proceed logically and do some fact-checking and real analysis of your ideas and images. I'll let you reply to the above before asking a next question. If you want to propose a new point at the end to move on with just do so. Thanks!
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The 1971 Dahinden "Aerial" Photo, with Camera Position and Subject |
LEROY BLEVINS: If you look at the location and you look at the photo of Bob Gimlin behind the brush you can see that the location can not be found in the location photo. So you can not use this to make a point when the location of Bob Gimlin behind the brush can not be seen in the location photo.
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Christopher Murphy Diagram |
LEROY BLEVINS: I think you are loosing it. I don't see none of the stuff you are seeing. You are just pointing out shadows and saying things that are not there. are you ok?
BIGFOOT BOOKS: Leroy, I think that is what YOU have been doing with this Gimlin thing. Hence, yes, I am OK. I was joking. I do "see" those things--with my imagination, just like you do. Look closer. The things will emerge.
LEROY BLEVINS: Are you OK?
BIGFOOT BOOKS: Ok? Yes. Completely. Are you? I look forward to your answer.
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Titmus-Krantz Diagram |
What I found and what I show is not my imagination. What I found and what I show is a real face behind the brush and the face that match the face behind the brush is that of Bob Gimlin. You are not doing what I am doing you are pointing out shadows and claiming this is this or that. But the photo shows Bob Gimlin.
I like to know why you did not answer my question I ask you last night about Bob Gimlin lying.
Steve, Before I answer any more question I like to ask you something. Your questions you ask you are using someone else research to answer my research but none of it is your research. Then you point out things in the photo and say this or that when in fact you are just trying to come up with reason for Bob Gimlin or Patterson. When all I show is what can be seen in the film I think you need to ask the questions to Bob Gimlin and not me. You like to think with logic but this is not logic. Or even in reason. You siad we will go over this from the start but you are jumping around from my research on the Edomites to the film. At first I thought we was only going over my research on the PG film and not my research on the Edomites and recordings. When you can say that sound good but let us talk only about the PG film for now and then maybe latter we can do a interview on the Edomites and the recording. But you are talking about the PG film and my research on Edomites and even my research on recording when we need to say with the PG film and not jump around like you are doing. Like before you can say this person is lying or that person is lying you have to look at the facts at hand. Let me show you.
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Christopher Murphy's Film Site Model, Showing Distance from Trees |
Also, that aerial image was taken something on the order of four years later than the PGF!
Can we stick to the interview process, do you think? We need to get this down so I can make sense of it for the readers.
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Christopher Murphy's Film Site Model, Showing How Perspective Deceives |
Why do you think your stuff is "Real" and mine is not? What EVIDENCE do you have for that? Just because it kind of looks like Gimlin? That is not enough. It is too murky, and not in the right proportion to have really been a man sitting there, as I'd said in my response.
Maybe try to put this stuff, which is good debate, into your INTERVIEW response. Otherwise I will have a very hard time keeping track of this in a linear way that can be published. OK?
WHICH QUESTION, now, did you ask, about Gimlin lying? You have said so much all at once that there is no way to respond to it all. I don't mind discussing that, but lets do it within the interview process.
My research is real research, too, Leroy. I am a scholar. I have two MA degrees, and know how to work with books. I do look at the film and study it, but I am not a film expert; I don't think you are a professional film expert either, are you? I study the books, the historical record, the skeptical as well as the believer views, AND I have been to the actual, real film site many times. I have talked with real human beings who lived here at the time and were involved in Bigfoot in some way or other. I can only try to find the truth, but I will not just jump to conclusions because of some blur I see in the film, or some little inconsistency in the stories. These are human stories told at the time and over the years since the film was made, and so they have human flaws. Whether or not anyone is lying is still a question. You should look at your conclusions: could they HOLD UP IN COURT? If not, then what is lacking? Your "evidence" would not convict OJ Simpson, let alone Bob Gimlin. I think Gimlin is "innocent" of your claims; but that does not mean I am not willing to consider other viewpoints. Go ahead and speak your mind, and please cite sources when you can. Just because Bob H. or the costume maker say something, long after the fact, does not make it so--especially if it is they who are lying for ulterior motives.
LEROY BLEVINS: [At this point the "Interview" stalled out, and Leroy disappeared for a while. He claimed it was because he was so busy on his latest line of research, THE JFK ASSASSINATION. When he came back it was with all sorts of similar blurry images in which he claimed to see the true assassins, which no one else had ever noticed in all these 47 years.]
Here's an official announcement Blevins made about his Patty-Bigfoot imitation suit. He's rather proud of this thing, which looks just like a cheap Halloween costume to us. We quote:
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Here is the image compilation Leroy made and sent out to various researchers. |
I like to show you for the first time on over 43 years a copy of the Patterson Bigfoot costume has been made. I made this suit in one of my testing I did on the PG film. They claim that no man can make a suit like the one in the PG film. However in this e-mail you will see photos of me in my suit next to the Patterson Bigfoot suit. I did this test to find if a man that never made a costume, can make a costume like the one you see in the film. And the test past. This is the first time I have a made a costume. I made this suit with parts you can find in the 1950's. It took me 15hr. hand sewing to make this suit. The cost for me to make this suit was $243 in todays money.If you like you can show this photo to all of your friends or others. Now by this suit I have put to the test by the claim of Bob Heironimus claiming he was the man in the Bigfoot suit. Now as you look at the research done by John Green you will see that he filmed a man at the same location Patterson filmed the Bigfoot. The man John Green filmed was Jim McClarin. As you place a frame by John Green next to a frame from the PG film. You can see the Bigfoot was only 2" taller then Jim McClarin. Now Jim McClarin is 6'5" and with the Bigfoot in the film being 2" taller then Jim McClarin that makes the Bigfoot in the film 6'7". Now Bob Heironimus is 6'2" now that is 5" shorter then the Bigfoot in the film. However in this test I myself is 6'2" and I place the suit on to see if I can be the same height as the Bigfoot in the film. And this test also past. For as I had the suit on I am 6'2" but with the suit on I am 6'7". The suit added 5 more inches to my height. I know there was new research done on the height of the Bigfoot in the PG film but still to date the best evidence to show the true height of the Bigfoot in the film is by John Green's film. The reason for this is John Green filmed his film of Jim McClarin in the same location with the same surroundings as you see in the PG film. Plus you can line up the surroundings in both frames to match. Then with Jim McClarin in the same spot where the Bigfoot was. So the true height of the Bigfoot in the PG film was 6'7" and a man 6'2" with the suit on is the same height as the Bigfoot in the film.
The costume was made by Leroy Blevins Sr.
The man in the suit is Leroy Blevins Sr.
Thank you for your time in this matter.
God Bless
Leroy Blevins Sr.
I give permission to show the photo and to use this e-mail."
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Then the interview continued again...
BIGFOOT BOOKS: Leroy, let's see you film it in proper proportion, with correct gait, stride and footprints on comparable terrain, showing muscle movement and breasts bobbing. Use the same camera and correct distances as documented by Dahinden and Green, too. Also, see if you can fool three horses and a guy like Gimlin who would never hoax and lie about it for 42 years.
Munns has pointed out, too, that Green's comparison may be incorrect due to disparities in distances between background trees. He may have used a different lens than Patterson's.
Your "fur" also looks utterly fake in comparison.
Nice job on the Halloween costume though, really!
LEROY BLEVINS: You know the funny thing is. I make a claim and I show it. Now as you talk about Bob Gimlin I can prove he is lying from the word go. And that proof is by the interviews he gives. He tells the same story today as he did back then. He claims they filmed this film of Bigfoot on Oct 20, 1967 and they got the film developed the next day which is on a Saturday and then show it the next day which is a Sunday and then show it again the next day which was a Monday. Now by this shows Bob Gimlin is not telling the truth. Now I know you will say this or that just to make up some excuse for Bob Gimlin but the facts are in on him. Now also most everyone that did research on this film said there was no way they can do this by filming the bigfoot and then developing the film and and show this film all in one weekend. Now am I lying no I don't think so. So you see if Bob Gimlin don't lie then why is he still telling this same story when it has been proven time and time again. Even companies that develope this type of film claim they can not develope this film in just one day for all of them claim they close at noon on Saturday. So again Bob Gimlin lied on this part of the story. So you see my point is how can you tell people that Bob Gimlin is telling the truth and he is a honest man when he lies about the time frame of that weekend. And as for you saying, my costume is just a Halloween suit well just today I got a lot of e-mails about my copy of the Bigfoot suit. So please even you claim that they can not do all of this in just that weekend. So the question is do you think they can film this Bigfoot on a Friday and get the film develope the next day on a Saturday and then show this film the next day on a Sunday and then show it again the next day on a Monday? Now if your answer is NO then right there shows Bob Gimlin was lying. So you see you can't have your cake and eat it too.
Now if Bob Gimlin said no Roger filmed the Bigfoot around 10 of Oct or even the 15 of Oct then I can say maybe Bob Gimlin is telling the truth. But Bob Gimlin claiming they filmed the Bigfoot on that Friday Oct 20.
So who is lying? Me, you and all the other researchers that claim there was no way they can film this and show it all in this one weekend or is it Bob Gimlin telling the story of them doing all of this in one weekend?
Now can you answer these question or are you going to not write back or are you going to make up an excuse for Bob Gimlin?
PS sorry if this sound a little on the upset side but I believe if you are going to tell the truth then you should tell the truth from the word go. And as I point out Bob Gimlin is not telling the truth and how can you believe anthing that comes out of his mouth when he is lying in the first part of his story he tells.
BIGFOOT BOOKS: Or maybe Gimlin is just telling the truth, as best as he remembers it? That is a much more simple explanation.
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HOW DID THIS ALL GET STARTED? COMMENTS FROM BIGFOOT'S BLOG, WHEREIN WE FIRST ENCOUNTERED MR. BLEVINS
(Note, Leroy repeatedly says that we first talked three years ago; but see here, it was only about a year and a half ago. He can't even get that kind of thing right, let alone the PGF history!)
Leroy Blevins Sr said...
My name is Leroy Blevins Sr. I am C/O of Blevins Biblical Investigation. I have done a 6 month research on the P/G film and I found things in the film that shows it was a hoax. In my research I have even made a copy of the costume Patterson used in the film. Like they say seeing is believing well that is what I do for at BBI we not only tell the truth WE SHOW IT
freewebs dot com/pgbigfootdebunked [SITE NOW DEAD!]
August 28, 2009 3:56 PM
Steven Streufert, Bigfoot Books said...
EGADS, Mr. Blevins! You "prove" nothing. You are conflating images from earlier shots of a fictional bigfoot hunt Patterson filmed in YAKIMA, and BEFORE the P-G Bluff Creek Film. There is no "hat brim" in the footage of Bob Gimlin on Bluff Creek Road--that is a rock and wood, and is blurred. YOU ARE LOOKING AT FILM BLOBS, not real things. The footprint cast you say was the one they "took to town" is IN FACT ONE FROM HYAMPOM (see John Green's "On the Track of Sasquatch!), taken in 1963. It is a 17" track, of a different shape, too, not the 14.5 inch one from Bluff Creek. The two guys took turns filming on that trip, so some of the footage before the bigfoot segment is of Roger, some of Bob. John Green, who knew the men personally, confirms this. Frankly, so far, your stuff looks like the work of M.K. Davis of late, or the late Beckjord. And what does Bigfoot have to do with "Biblical Investigation," anyway? MORE LATER. I will do a thorough blog post DEBUNKING your "DEBUNKING." Look out.
August 30, 2009 4:35 PM
Leroy Blevins Sr. said...
My new site is freewebs dot com/pgfilmanalyze [ANOTHER SITE, NOW DEAD!]
If you like to know the truth and even see the truth go to this site for the best research ever done on the Patterson and Gimlin Bigfoot film.
November 14, 2009 8:28 AM
Steven Streufert, Bigfoot Books said...
Well folks, take the above with a grain of salt. I spoke with Mr. Blevins for a couple of hours on the phone, and extensively discussed these matters via email. He is a good guy, personally, but I think his ideas are a bit out there, and not really substantiated by the film.
November 14, 2009 1:22 PM
Leroy Blevins Sr said...
If you don't mind I like to add on my site I show still photo of John Green and Bob Titmus that they took 9 days after Patterson filmed his movie of the Bigfoot. However as you will see the Bigfoot prints they show is prints on the raod that Patterson filmed Bob Gimlin on. Now in the story Patterson or Gimlin never claim there was prints on the road or seen these prints. However you see these in still photos by John G. and Bob T. Plus it was told that it rain that night after Patterson shot the film but as you will also see the track are like new. For these tracks are the same track was left by the Bigfoot that Patterson filmed.Now think of this, this 1 Bigfoot was seen by two men and ever ran after it why would this same Bigfoot come back to a location days after when it knows that other people will be there for Patterson and Gimlin was there. Sorry but the only away for Patterson to film this Bigfoot and with John G. and Bob T. to also film and take photos of the prints before it rained or even seeing the same print from 1 Bigfoot this show that the film by Patterson and even the film by John G and Bob T was taken on the same day. For even the tracks left by the horses still can be seen on the road like they are new. take a look.
November 17, 2009 9:25 AM
[The Views Following Are Comments From Others, Not Necessarily Those of Bigfoot Books]
Hudge said... Blevins is totally off base,may be a good guy but he in NO WAY proves Patty to be a hoax,in fact,after listening to some of his arguments and proof,I am more convinced that Patty is 100 percent Sasquatch. April 29, 2010 2:13 PM
Anonymous said... The film that Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin made in 1967 of Bigfoot was real. The creature they filmed was half man and half gorilla. June 2, 2010 1:14 PM
Mikey D said... This is a good blog. I also greatly appreciate Mr Blevins and the time he took to investigate and research these different points he makes. It was a very interesting read. Some parts did make me smile though I have to admit. I mean there is a close up of a monstrous ape leg with strained and bulging muscles and the arrow is pointing underneath labeling where 'some fur has come out'! Classic. What about the giant leg muscles?? And check out the pendulous breasts, the nipples, it all looks just too real to be a hoax. Interesting work though, we need both sides of the debate to fully conclude. July 20, 2010 2:41 PM
Anonymous said... In my opinion, Leroy Blevins is an undeducated man looking for attention. He boasts about having the "best" bigfoot research ever done. Yet, he can't construct a simple sentence. His tag-line is "we show it"....yes, you "show it" alright...you show how stupid and lame you are. Blevins "research" and "conclusions" suck much ass.
Anonymous said... Mikey D is right!!! You have to look at all possibilities as far-fetched as they may sound. The subject of Bigfoot is in the "far-fetched" category. Mr. Blevins's research and opinion are part of this subject. I wish I had the time and commitment to research the subject but I don't. I am just glad there are persons out there that do research on the subject because it keeps the subject fresh in our minds. I will read anything on the subject of Bigfoot, good or bad, because it interests me. Keep up the good work guys and keep the info coming. February 15, 2011 11:17 AM
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THIS BLOG POST TURNED OUT TO BE TOO LONG! AT 113 pages in WORD with images, about 70 text only, we've had to divide it into two parts.
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Quotes from John Green may serve to end this all-too-massive blog entry, for now....
JOHN GREEN: I have tried reasoning with Blevins, to no avail. Nothing left to do but ignore him....
Why does every crazy need to be refuted? MK and Paulides had earlier acquired a following with their work in this field so they needed to be answered when they went astray, but who is this guy that anyone should worry about him?
ANGRY BIGFOOT SPEAKS!
Me try reason with Leroy. Me stand there right in road for four minute so he see me, me say me NOT some Edomite. Me not even believe God. Me no need. Me shrug shoulder. Me walk away, leave stink behind for him. What me do? He no listen, never will, he stare at blurry picture all day when he maybe could talk to real Bigfoot who KNOW what happen. Me there when they make film. She hot babe Bigfoot, girlfriend at time.
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